Since joining ISB I have received a lot of queries from other doctors and healthcare professionals about healthcare management, the opportunities for doctors after an MBA and getting into a b-school like ISB. The following is an attempt to write about all that I know on each of the above points. I’ll keep adding stuff here in bits and pieces so its not going to be really organised. Leave me a comment if you want more info and I’ll try and write about it.
Disclaimer: This info is not officially from ISB and is what I understand of the admission procedure here. If after reading this, you don’t get in, don’t blame me!!
Q. What are the opportunities available to doctors after an MBA?
A. After an MBA a doctor could get into one of the following industries:
- Healthcare services delivery (hospitals, hospital chains)
- Pharmaceutical companies
- Biotech companies
- Healthcare consulting
- NGOs
The functional areas where you could get in are (by industry):
- Healthcare services delivery (hospitals, hospital chains)
- Marketing and customer relations
- Sales
- Operations – This is where I’ve got a job now with Apollo Hyderabad
- Business development
- Pharmaceutical and biotech companies
- Marketing and customer relations
- Sales
- Operations
- Business development
- Licensing
- Discovery project management and evaluation
- Medico-marketing
Q. How should I prepare to get into a B-school?
A. I’ll concentrate on how to apply for ISB. These points would generally apply to most US & European B-schools. IIMs is a different ball-game and I suggest talking to a current student or alum from an IIM. Send an email to one of the IIM’s alumni association. I had a pleasant experience there and got a lot of responses.
ISB will look at the following parts of your application to decide whether you fit in or not:
- Essays
- Work Experience
- Recommendations
- GMAT
- Interview
Your application will most probably be compared with people from similar backgrounds, for e.g. techies will be compared with other techies and doctors with other doctors.
At the outset let me clarify that GMAT is not the only criteria for admission. Each of the above points will be weighted more or less equally, so concentrate on all of them!
Essays
ISB will ask you to write 4-5 essays as part of your application. The topics vary from year to year so take a look at the application and write. Ensure that there are no spelling or grammatical mistakes and above all be honest. An interviewer can usually find out if you are dishonest! I guess it might be OK to discuss the essay with family and friends, but its definitely not OK to get a professional to write it for you. ISB will definitely find out if its written by a pro.
Work Experience
Here you tell ISB about what you’ve done in your career till now. On the basis of this ISB assesses what skills you possess or have acquired. Tell them all that you have done, don’t be shy, but don’t write anything you have not actually done!
Recommendations
ISB requires you to send 2 recos with your application. According to me the best recos would be from your supervisors/bosses at work. It’s a pretty comprehensive document. Make sure the person who writes the reco knows you well. Don’t try and fudge the reco or fill it up for the recommender! Ask the recommender to fill it up, sign it and give it to you in a sealed envelope, with their signature across the seal.
GMAT
Last, but not the least, the GMAT. ISB’s average GMAT score has been rising and our batch (2007 batch) has an average of 706! If you get anything below 650, then you might wanna retake the exam, unless you have something exceptional in your profile, essay or work experience.
While I was preparing for my MBA admission, I was also taking coaching for CAT. This helped me a lot with the Maths. Then, I took a short course at Kaplan for the GMAT, did some questions and full-length tests, and went and gave the exam. Got decent marks and that was the end of it.
You should also read this excellent article – 10 secrets for getting into a top B-school
I agree with all the points in this article, except point 4. I agree with the part about not rushing your application but not with the part about round 1. I think you should apply for round 1 only, but ensure you start your preparation and application process well in time so that you do not rush the application. This will especially be true for MBBS grads since they might take more time preparing for the maths parts of the exams.
Q. Does ISB consider my MBBS internship as work experience?
A. Yes! (IIMs don’t) Not anymore.
Q. Does ISB consider my 3 years of MD/MS as work experience?
A. Gray area-ISB did not consider it till now, but that seems to be changing. Call or write to the admissions office for clarifications.
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I am mbbs final proff( part1 )student,
> I am a little bit confused to fix my target as
PREPG or CAT/GMAT .
> I am equally interested in both the proffesions
but disillusioned with future.
> Taking in mind the desire to settle early & to get
outputs according to one’s eligibility,
>
> Considering both the options
>
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> CAT ——-MBA(2yrs)———40,000-60,000rs
salary ——–more chances to expand.
>
>
> PREPG——PG(3yrs) (not sure abt branch of my
choice)——2yrs village bond——29000rs
salary———–future still not clear.
>
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> I am good in maths. And also I have a good
interest in business.
> Taking above pts in consideration plz guide me—
>
> 1)what should I choose (I have 2 decide as soon as
possible)
> 2)which xams is more tougher(if 1 is good enough
with maths than clinical theory)
> 3)whats preventing me is my investment of 5.5yrs
in doing MBBS (is all that gone waste?) but what
promoting me for CAT is still I can save my remaining
yrs not to invest them in medical field. Plz guide me.
>
i am doing my internship in dentistry,keen on joining isb.will my internship be counted as work experience?
Aradhna: My MBBS internship was counted as experience for admission but not for placements.
im having exactly the same doubts what DR.kamal malani had posted in this site…. kindly do reply and clarify me…. thank you
Kamal & Chandra,
My decision to do an MBA was not to leave the medical field altogether. I just did not like practice. I was certain that I will stay in the medical field (hospitals, pharma, etc.) but on the management side. In that sense my MBBS is of use after the MBA.
I would recommend that you guys take a good hard look at what you want to achieve in your careers and decide based on that. Don’t jump into an MBA if you think its just cool or the “in” thing.
Remember, to do a decent MBA you need to have some work experience (unless going to the IIMs). I would say that you need to work for atleast 2 years (preferably, but not necessarily, in a corporate environment.
Eventually you need to do what you like doing. Give it a good thought.
Best of luck,
Rahul
Hello Dr rahul
Had such such a tough time locating you…typed doctors and mba in google and somehow reached you.:)
Me, my name is Manjot. Passed out of Govt Medical College Jabalpur in 2003 and joined Indian Navy almost immediately as ashort service commissioned officer. Having serious doubts about applying for a PC (permanent commission). Beginning to be interested in the idea of doing an MBA and becoming VERY RICH
Plus i find that the dreary world of medicine doesn’t thrill me that much anymore.
My head is swimming with questions…but i’ll begin with this: does it make sense to take it one step at a time, i.e. to just concentrate on cracking the GMAT to begin with and deciding later which industry i want to specialise in…be it healthcare or biotech companies or human resource or whatever?
Thanks much.
Best regards
Manjot
I mean is it important to have my path clearly chalked out in my head BEFORE i get that 706 score or can i figure it out after i have passed the exam?
Hey Manjot,
Your decision on what you want to do after an MBA will change even while you are doing the MBA and also during placement time. I always wanted to get a marketing job but finally preferred the operations job that I got!!
So just concentrate on the GMAT and then on the application.
Best of luck,
Rahul
hii.. i hav a lil dout.. do i need to complete my internship to get an admission into an iim/isb? or jus a final yr pass certificate is enuf..? hope u understud my dout n rep to me soon. thnks..
Dear Chaitanya,
I don’t think you will get your degree if you do not complete your internship. And if you do not have a degree I doubt if a B-school will grant you admission. Further, you should have some work experience before joining a b-school, so I think you should complete your internship, work for a bit and then join an MBA programme.
Rahul
Hi doc
Am an MBBS grad and have one and half years of work experience in emergency medicine.After the hard day of slogging and numerous amounts of being kicked around by my seniors and the meagre pay, i decided i could not take it anymore and quit.plus being a young woman doc in india is an altogether different ball game.hope you understand.
i want a more easier life and am more on the creative side.i am also very interested in pursuing an MBA as i have no other options left but to go in for what i should have opted for a few years back.
anyway my point is, i do not want to do a management course to do hospital administration.i am highly inclined to the retail or entertainment industry.I am also an extremely talented painter(also wanted to pursue art) but i guess there is no scope for that at the moment.so i want you to tell me what should i opt for? in mba….?
and where do you think they accept mbbs students for management studies…people keep asking me why i am changing and they say that is most important.i don’t know why? can u tell me why?
i just want a good career going
Hi Rahul! kudos for taking out time for replying!
I wanted to ask,r the score in academics(through the mbbs course) matter much during the selection at IIM’s or ISB, i mean i have really low acads say
MBBS-53%,Xth-90%,XII-85% do istand a chance considering that i may score high in CAT,n do good at GD n PI??
Maya,
Sorry for the extremely delayed reply. I’ve just joined work and pretty much moved to a new city. It’s been hectic setting up a house and getting settled. Plus no internet at home yet has been a huge handicap.
Enough about me, getting back to your question – it just seems that you are jumping into and MBA because you have no other option. That’s not a good enough reason. What will you do if after one and a half years you realise that management is also not what you like? Yes, the pay will not be meagre, but you could still get kicked around by your seniors!!!
You need to give this a good hard thought, speak to people who have enough experience in management post MBA, probably join some company as a trainee/intern in marketing, etc. That is what I did when I decided to leave MBBS.
By simply jumping into and MBA you are liable to make the same mistake that you say you made when u joined MBBS.
Think about it and let me know a good reason for an MBA. Then we might discuss where to apply and how.
Cheers,
Rahul
Priya,
You’re most welcome!
The IIMs will definitely give some weightage to your academic scores, so even if you do good in the CAT and GD/PI, there could be some problems, but its not as if the IIM option is totally out. I would suggest getting more info on this from some IIM alums or coaching institutes like CL, IMS. They will give you better advice regarding IIMs.
ISB can give more weightage to other aspects of your application/profile and some strong aspect of your profile can help downplay your academic scores. I think your school grades are decent, but MBBS grades are a tiny problem. My grades weren’t much better than yours though: MBBS-59%,Xth-78%,XII-89%!!
Bottomline: Don’t give up hope. It is possible to get into a good institute even if you have poor past performance in acads.
Cheers,
Rahul
hi rahul, i am an md .what are the good colleges for pursuing MBA ?
ALSO CATvsGMAT?
what do u advise?your story is very inspiring.how much time is required to adeauately prepare for GMAT/CAT?
sir,i am a junior final student of mbbs.i am a bit confused about my career the day i opted for mbbs.my family is of doctors n u could understand the peer pressure.but now i wanted to go in management but like you i too want to enter corporate world with a medicinal scenario like pharmaceautics,management of private hospitals like max,fortis etc.i too dont think that treating patients is a my cup of tea coz i dont feel interest even in my postings so i am serious about going into corporate sector but with a medicinal background.please guide me so that i start working for it from now on with my mbbs study.thanks.-apurv garewal
sir it will be helpful if you will tell me step wise procedure to enter into a buiness school n also wat type of work ex and recommendations a mbbs passout can get for entering into b-school for both GMAT and CAT
ussv meher: The Tier 1 schools like IIM, ISB, XLRI, etc are good for you. I would recommend ISB as you seem to have good work experience. You might also wanna consider US b-schools. So definitely give the GMAT, but as I said preparing for the CAT will really give your maths a solid boost, even for the GMAT. So prepare for both exams, give them both a shot and then choose from the best offers you get. You will need about 1 year to prepare well for either the CAT or the GMAT.
Apurv: Any experience is good for getting into a b-school, but if you want to improve your chances of landing a good job post your MBA, go in for a job in a pharma company or a hospital. Step-wise:
1. Finish ur MBBS
2. Get a job
3. Prepare for CAT/GMAT alongwith ur job (preferably in the 2nd or 3rd year of your job)
4. Do your MBA
Cheers,
Rahul
Hi sir!
i am a third year medical student in mamc,delhi.i am very confused about what to do in future.my parents are doctors and my dad runs a nursing home.i am not too much into treating patients,actually confused.can you give me an about average pay packages/salary after mba from isb/iim.and the growth thereafter.and is it any point doing mba after md/ms or is it just same as mba after mbbs.
thanks
a.puri
waiting for your reply
Dear Arush,
Sorry for the late reply.
Pay packages after an MBA will start at around 5-6 lakhs if you graduate from the IIMs without any prior work experience…
However, I would suggest you gain work experience (atleast 2 years) before joining MBA.
MBA after MD/MS is always better as it increases your work experience. However, if you really don’t want to do an MD/MS then there is no point wasting time and energy on it.
Get a good job after MBBS, does not necessarily have to be a medical job and then go in for an MBA after some time.
Hope this helps…
Cheers,
Rahul
Hi Rahul,
i am a dentist with some 15months of work ex..and applying to isb fr 2008 admission.
>>will my work ex be couted till admission deadline?or till course begins?
>also is the internship counted as work experience?
>>my reason is that though love being with patients,but practising is nt my cup of tea..i want to go into phamaceuticals as in…marketting/finance.
will it be possible with my background?so how do i address this change..or justify… in my application?
>>also..with a gmat score of 650,BDS65%X=87% and XII 81% dis is an average score report..bt if i am adjudged against ppl from my field..do i stand a chance??i wish to stay with medicinal feild bt in different capacity…..
wat else may strenghten my case??
>>also,being a lil optimistic,supposedly i get an interview call..wat wud dey focus on??
please advice!
awaiting ur early reply…..
regards,Navreet
hi rahul,
your post is very informative and offers a new perspective on the medical profession. i apologize for my question in advance, but i would like to know that what sort of annual package do doctors passing out from isb get? and whats your pay package? would appreciate it if you could reply.
shantanu,
Dear Shantanu,
The pay package you will get will depend on a lot of factors like:
1. Years of experience before ISB
2. Relevance of experience to the new job
3. How you do in the interview
4. The industry you choose
In my batch the pay packages varied from around 9 lakhs to 20 lakhs for docs.
Cheers,
Rahul
Hi Rahul, Kudos for the great work of guiding pepole like me.
I am MBBS gaduate. Passed out in Dec 2004. Completed internship in march 2006 (due to exts n all.. u know), initialy I was associated with a pharmaceutical company as a part time health advisor for 6 months. I gave CAT last year but couldn’t score well. After that I joined Topsline Life Response Service & for last 10 months I am working with it. Topsline is first and the fastest rescue service in the country, its model based on 911 of USA.
My job profile includes managing all medical operation in city of Mumbai. I am responsible for the managing, maintaining, purchasing all medical items & equipements, in our emergency vehicles. Also I look after recruitement and training of medical staff. Curently I m managing work force of 60 doctors and paramedics.
I am willing to make my career in management sector. This year also I am taking CAT, also have registered to apply to ISB. I have not taken GMAT yet. I think I am very late to apply to ISB
My preparation for CAT is not good enough yet, also I have not started the preparation for GMAT yet. Therefore chances of me getting in good MBA program are quetionable.
How much time does it take to prepare for gmat for average student like me? If I dont get in the good program, should i contineu to work at same place? because I m thinking of shifting to pharma. How is my current job profile appear to you? Will it help me to secure admission in good college? Is it worth waiting 1 more year as my age is now 25 yrs…
Also.. do you get any advantage of being doctor in admission or at least to get a interview call?
I know I am asking you too many questions, but it will be of great help if you could answer it.
Thanking You.
Hi Rahul
I am an MBBS doctor with 5 years of pharmaceutical indutstry experience in medico-marketing, good professional stints as a fashion model and also an actor .
I also have worked for various direct marketing companies and some months as resident doctor.
Now after doing all this, I feel its the time to take that major decision….
Decision to shift gears..and tracks too,if possible.
I have always had this creative streak in me, restless soul trying to create something new ,out of ordinary all the time, thus I could never see myself as practicing doctor and also not as an acamedician.
Pharamceuticals gave me an insight into marketing and nances of corporate world and lot of maturity too but I do not see myself doing medico marketing forever as It does not seem to fulfill my criteria of creative and intellectual satisfaction.
I believe, I have to change careers now, into something more creative, more satisfying then just selling drugs to white coated gentleman in dim-lit clinicas.
Thats when I decided about joining ISB and I am in process of giving my GMAT now.
But, I have many queries boiling in my mind all this time……Voila….there you appear … Need your help with some questions.
I have seen that moment people know you are a doctor , they associate you with healthcare, nothing else, kind of prejudice…..but post MBA , do you think there can be avenues for me to change careers from healthcare to advertising/consulting /others etc.
How you think is the perception of people about MBA docs from ISB, does it depend a lot on their background.
will I be treated at par with other students during placements for other sectors than healthcare.
With my exp. and good score, how probable it is to get in ISB.
I already have a package of around 10 l / annum, do you think it would make much of a difference in my salary post ISB ?
Many more, but wont hassle you more than this for now.
Looking forward to your reply.
Cheers
hi sir,
iam a fresh mbbs graduate, completed my internship just in the month of july. iam very happy that i could found u.
sir iam in a dilemma whether to go with the pg prep. or do MBA, in which iam very much interested.
will it be posiible to score in cat if i spend 1yr for preparation, is coaching necessary or will it be wise to prepare byself?
will u suggest cat/gmat? which one will be the better option?
plz help me out?
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the late replies… been extremely busy with work and all. I’m writing this one post to answer all your queries, if I miss out please ask again!
Amol, I agree that it is late for you to apply for this year’s ISB admission. Also, I think that your work experience is too less for a place like ISB. You need atleast 2 years… the pharma/healthcare students in the current batch have an average of 5-6 years experience, so that’s the kind of competition that you would be up against next year…
Amol & Sekhar, you’ll need atleast 6 months to do any decent prep for GMAT/CAT. And being a doc does not automatically get you an interview call…
Manoj, you’ve got diversity and experience. Both are good for you to probably get an interview call, provided you get a decent score on the GMAT. Come placement time, it all depends on the way you present yourself to the recruiter… I don’t think there’ll be any prejudice provided u can prove that you will be better than the next candidate. ISB should make a difference to your salary levels too.
Again, if I missed out anything or u need more clarifications just leave a post.
Cheers,
Rahul
hi Rahul,
I was just curious about your GMAT score. My elder bro has taken GMAT and has applied to ISB this year. His score is 680 and he has 4 years of Work-experience in Apollo Gleneagles (as a junior doctor in Intensive Care Unit), apart from 6 months of internship and 8 months of House-staffship in Calcutta Medical College. Can you kindly throw some light on his chances for an interview call and subsequently for admission into ISB? What is the average GMAT score for doctors. I read in your blog that doctors will be judged against people from the same industry only.
Prosenjit
Dear Prosenjit,
Yes, doctors will be judged against people from the same industry. With his profile he seems to stand a good chance of an interview call, provided there are not 50 other doctors with better profiles!! Also, remember that GMAT is not the only thing that guarantees an interview call. (My score was 700.)
But frankly I think he’ll get an interview call, don’t worry about that. Worry about how he will handle the interview and especially how he will convince the panel about the reasons for his switch.
Best of luck,
Rahul
Thanks for replying so quickly! Didn’t expect it really. Just wanted to ask you one more question, that i missed out the first time. His acads are as follows: MBBS – 65%, Xth – 86%, XIIth – 82%. Does he have to guard against a question about his steadily decreasing acads?
Thanks,
Prosenjit
I don’t think those marks are as bad as mine!!
But seriously, they can ask anything in the interview… usually academics don’t come up much but you might wanna keep some answers ready for this. Don’t go by the absolute marks, think relative.. if 65% marks in MBBS were good enough to get u say a rank of 25/100 then that’s not so bad.
Hello sir,
I am a gradute in Ayurvedic medicine & now doing MBA from SIOM,Pune.What will be my job profile after completing MBA? For which specilization I must go ?
Hi Rahul
I am a doctor (pediatrician), having seven years of work experience in private and govt.health set up.I want to be a part of corporate health management set up.For that i am pursuing an executive MBA from a premier institute in gurgaon giving dual specialization.Having a doctor background ,i am in dilemna whether to choose a operatons,statergy or finance .Please advice
Hi,
Dr.Rahul,
I am a B.A.M.S.graduate and wanted to do M.B.A.in any one of the following steam
1)Health Care
2)Hospital Adminstration
3)Pharma Management
4)Logistics and supply chain management
5)Production
So, please can you tell me, the kind of jobs I will get in these respective fields concerning my degree.
Dr. Gaffar: Your profile can be what you want it to be… Doctors from my batch at ISB are doing marketing, setting up new projects or working in the social sector (which pays amazingly well too!). So take up the specialisation u like.
Amit: Pretty much the same stuff as above applies to you. Just choose what u like most, keeping in mind the career goal that you have set for yourself.
Dr. Tukaram: Take a look at the job profiles that I have listed in the post above.
Hi Rahul, I must congratulate you for such a useful site. Deciding to opt for a particular stream is a very personal decision but websites like yours make the process a lot easier.Thanks for all your advice and carry on the good work in the future..
Arif
Dear Arif,
Thanks for the kind words. Best of luck in all your future endeavours…
Rahul
hi dr rahul…please tell me…is there any good private b schools in delhi which are providing mba in hospital and pharma dual management…..?i have given mat and score 581.5 score which is good enough…..
hi i am dr ankita i’ve completed my internship in 2005 mar. then i worked for around 3 mths clinically then had a kid so took a break.now i want to do an mba for tat ia want to gain some relevant work experience .so can u plz suggest me how shd i go for it.where all shd i apply for the job n how shd i approach them.plz kindly help me i’ll be obliged.
Meenakshi: I’m sorry I don’t know of any b-schools that provide pharma and hospital management. That does not mean that there aren’t any! You’ll just have to search for them
Ankita: You’ll need to apply to a few companies that will find your education and work ex interesting. Try looking for pharma cos, hospitals (in management roles), insurance companies, clinical trial organisations, etc. They might offer you internships which pay peanuts but I suggest you take them since that will be extremely valuable experience. My corporate work ex before MBA was only internships…
hi sir,
i m a 3rd year medical student. i wish to go for
MBA/MHA after mbbs. which one is better MHA or MBA. and would my mbbs degree be of deserving benefit to me in MHA n what the salary goes around? my parents want all the information b4 they allow me to opt for this!
plz help!!
hi rahul,
i have completed my MBBS.thinking of cat/gmat way.if i join some hospital for 2 years does that exp. will work for me in future prospects because i dont want to continue after my mba in health sector or should i join pharma company?
hi again,also want to ask whether any research work will be counted as work exp?
please tell me wat average salary a mba in hospital management get ?
hello Rahul,
I am currently doing MD in Anaesthesiology from bombay university.I have 05 years work experience in Army as short service commission officer. Iam interested to pursue MBA (perhaps in clinical research).Can you please guide me.What are career prospects in future ?
hello sir,i m currently in III/II MBBS from grant medical college mumbai. X-84% XII-88% one year gap between 12th and mhcet. Will i face any problems if i appear for any mba entrance exams?thanks.
hi dr rahul. i have done my mbbs and doing internship and interested in doing mba kindly tell me about future of this field
Akshay: Both degrees are good. You need to decide where you wanna be in the future? Running a hospital or managing a healthcare business – there’s a big difference between the two. Personally I feel that an MBA gives you a broader perspective on business. You might initially need to struggle to understand the nitty-gritty of running a hospital but it should serve you better in the long-run. However, I suggest you sit with an MHA and figure out what they do and what the future prospects are before deciding on an MBA or MHA. Also, once you do an MHA you are pretty much stuck with hospitals as a career. See my reply to Meenaxi below for the salary question.
Vaibhav: If you don’t want to continue in the health sector it will be better to switch now. Might be a huge struggle but should work out better in the long run. But yes, both hospital jobs and research experience will be counted as work experience.
Meenaxi: I don’t know what a MBA in hospital management gets, but an MBA working in a hospital can earn anywhere from 3-4 lakhs to 20+ lakhs. It all depends on your skills, previous work experience, your school and the company/hospital you join.
Shashank: You won’t face any problems if you give the entrance exams, that only depends on your preparation. But as I have repeated in this post and my comments, it is always better to have atleast a couple years of work experience before doing an MBA.
Vinay: Please read the post – I have given lots of opportunities and the future of the field there already.
Vivek: Sorry missed out replying to you in the last post. I have not heard of any MBA in clinical research yet. However, there are courses in clinical research that you may want to pursue. I have given a list of the career prospects in the post… if you need any info about a specific prospect let me know.
Hi Rahul really a great blog I am very lucky to find your blog very informative and Rahul hatsoff to your dedicated replies and by the way have a few FAqs of my own,help very much needed.
I completed medicine in Dec 2006 had prepared for my pg exams this year but not very effficiently and wanted to opt for RadioDiagnosis which is indeed out of my reach as the cost too high(1Cr) then came around the idea of MBA second time already had the idea just after completing mbbs.(should have gone with my first instinct)
I always had the managerial instinct and presently am managing our 30 year old nursing home along with my parents who are also doctors.
Planning to do mba from a prestigious institute
how long will it take if i start right from today and what is the institute i should be aiming for
Sagar,
How long it will take depends on you. You will need to prepare for CAT or GMAT, prepare your application and for the interview. Depending on how confident you feel it can be anywhere from 1 month to 1 year
The choice of institutes is upto you but if you want to come to ISB you will need a minimum of 2 years of experience.
please tell me which one is better to do hospital management course
1- iihmr,jaipur
2- symboisis institute of health sciences
Dear Meenaxi,
I have no clue about either of those institutes.
Rahul
hello sir,
i heard about you from one of my friend,sir i being a physiotherapist worked in your appollo hyd a year back, sir i would like to persue mba knw since i have 5 years of experience in the physio field,and i i started preparing for gmat since iam worried of maths can you guide me regarding that issue.
regards
Prasanth.
hi sir please guide me to do mba after doing mbbs………..ill finish my final year in sept 2008…..
sir please do guide me soon as i have keen interest in doing mba…….ill be waiting 4 ur mail……
aruna
how can i get admission in mba???
good job done……..Rahul, you have enough patience to reply to all…. happy new year…
cheers,kushal
hi rahul,–My profile
MBBS-2001
Internship-2002
Jr Residency -15months at a sup. speciality hosp
Also got Married
Medical Officer at a PSU hospital- 1 year
Then I resigned & joined DNB- After one year of DNB realised that the meagre stipened was not sufficient enough to support the family(newborn had arrived )
Left the Course in between &joined a govt job.
(Didn,t get any experience certificate from the DNB insti)
Now ,its been a year in the govt job.
With this type of profile I would like to ask you wether it will be feasable for me to go for MBA at ISB(I can not afford to be jobles for more than a year),as I do not have the experience cert for the 1yr residency for DNB which I left in between & also my current employer won’t issue a NOC ..even resignation (getting a govt job is difficult,but resignation procedures are even tough &agonisingly slow)
Help me
Happy new year
anurag
Also I wud like to know how effective is the correspondence course of IMS
Prasanth: The only thing you can do about maths is prepare, prepare, prepare. Pick up some GMAT maths books and practice all the questions. If you are also preparing for CAT then there should be no problem in doing the GMAT maths.
Aruna: Next time please post only one comment!! If you read through the post above you’ll find some tips on preparing for MBA and also look at my suggestion that you should have some experience before doing an MBA.
Kushal: Thanks!!
Akash: The 1 year thing will be a problem… you should have some proof that you worked there. Not getting an NOC should not be a problem, I think. However, it will be best that you approach ISB with your problems and the Admissions department should be able to help you with the whole thing. I’m not too sure about the IMS correspondence course. However, I personally think you need a lot of motivation to do such courses. Taking classes usually keeps you regular.
Happy New Year everybody!
hello sir,i have just finished my internship.i dont have much knowledge about mba. i wanted to knw how can i proceed to get into a good mba college.. apart frm CAT.what all exams can i take for mba? how should i proceed? how do i get a job in company for marketting? how is the pay after a good college? i m sorry for such basic questions but please enlighten me. do u have a google account in case i can chat with u the wholeof details… please do help as i m in need.
also i was very good at maths during my Xth.scores always above 90. just ok at english.
hi rahul I m doing PG in MEDICINE and likely ot finish within 6 months. I want to do MBA in marketing to join pharmaceutical companies. Guide me how I can do. what is the importance of GMAT/ CAT.what kind of preparation is required. when will the new session started.
hello sir,
at the outset,let me thank u for the information u ve given to so many ppl…not only those who ve asked u personally but also those who ve read and absorbed frm ur diligent replies..i am grateful to u…i was myself burdened with so many queries&u ve provided answers to most of my questions..i really appreciate ur efforts fr ur juniors…THANKS
well,i ve written2u for thanking u&fr clarifying doubts tht concern me&queries which r specific2me bfr i decide abt doing mba aftr mbbs.i ve jst completed my mbbs final yr.my internship wil start in few days.my scores r 10th-93.6%,12th-88%,mbbs-64.3%. i ve been jt.literary secy in college yrs,president science club in school,& have written english poems&articles tht ve won awards&ve been published too.i ve been an orator,debator,compere etc in events.does it give me little advantage over other applicants?do extracurricular activities count?
second query–sir,if i qualify for pg…&wanna use it as work experience(it wil give a source of income as well as security–my parents r doubtful abt mba idea)..will any branch do?i wanna try for mba in india–iims tht is…cant consider gmat as am unmarried.
i hope u understand my problem&answer accordingly,
thanking u in anticipation&waiting fr ur reply,
regards,
sonal
and sir ,one more question–how does one find out& apply for the kind of job experience u ve spoken about in ur replies…i ve no clue abt it
sir…
This is an mbbs fresher.I have cleared cat. Got 98.95. and also calls from IIM A, IIM K, IIM I .Currently doing part time clinical pharma course.No workex.
I plan to work in pharmceutical co.I m finding it difficult to answer a few questions.please help me. All suggestions welcome.
My queries are..
1. If I want to work with pharma, I should do pharma MBA. Why do I want to pursue MBA, when there are specialized courses?
2.Logical extention for me will be working for an hospital, Healthcare.and it will be easier for me to explain healthcare.
How do I defend my interest in pharma(vis a vis healthcare )?
3.When did you get interested in MBA?I really got interested in 2nd yr. But people say its good to show you have planned your life since long time.
Isn’t it better to be honest?
4.What can an MBBS MBA(marketing) exactly do in a Pharma co.?
5. If I want to work in clinical research shall i specialize in operations?
You may not have time every now and then to visit your site.My interviews are on this month-end. I have to figure out good answers before that.Can I have your E mail Id? so that things get little fast.
Everybody is welcome to answer my queries
hi rahul!
i finished my internship a few months ago and have more or less realised that i am not overtly interested in clinical practice. can you guide me into applying for MBA realted to Healthcare sector?
hoping to hear from you soon.
hi rahul!
i am done with my internship a few months ago and have taken USMLE steps. i’ve come to believe that i am not overtly interested in clinical practice, and also that money matters. can you guide me into the world of MBA after MBBS? how much time, what to prepare, is having math at 11th and 12th mandatory? can you tell me where can i meet or find more people in this sector to get feedbacks on the idea.
hoping to hear from you soon
shobhit
hi rahul..
me a doctor n hav got a few interview calls for mba admsn. just wanted to know, hw can i convince the panel about my switch to management. if i tel dem dat i want to open a multispeciality hospital or a drug company, they gonna ask for my bussiness plan. hw can i convince dem?
how much time did u take to prepare for the course
To Dr. balakrishna……..
im planning to take the CAT this yr…did u take any coaching for it…plzz guide me through ur preparation process a bit….
hello dr rahul
i hv done my mbbs in2005. mow workig fr last 1 and half yr in corporate sector as junior dr. i want to do mba and pursue my career in hospital managment and that too in usa. i was thinking to do study in usa itself and then join there as well. can u plz help me hw to proceed and wat all things i hv to do in order to achieve this.
thanks in advance
Dear Mr. Rahul,
Kudos to you for such a generous piece of act. I ‘m a MBBS doctor and aspire to do MBA from ISB. I’m hereby putting down my resume and would be highly grateful if you could please rate my chances of getting into ISB.
My. C.V. :
Dr. DEVESH. V. OBEROI
QUALIFICATIONS
MBBS (July 2007), Kasturba Medical college, Mangalore, Manipal University, India
RESEARCH FELLOWSHIPS
• Summer Research Fellowship (2007) by Indian Academy Of Sciences and I.N.S.A ( 1 among 205 students selected nationwide)
• ICMR Short Term Research Studentship(2005) (1 among 450 students selected nationwide)
• ICMR Short Term Research Studentship(2004) (1 among 300 students selected nationwide)
PROFESSIONAL MEMBERSHIPS
• Research Fellow, Chronobiology laboratory, E.O.B.U. Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research, Bangalore.
• Member, Solution Exchange for the Maternal and Child Health Community W.H.O, India
• Member , Promoting Research.Com ( A forum based in Pakistan for promoting Research that is good , original, useful and ethically sound)
• Chartered member , Live to Think Club ( An Initiative of Prof. B. M. Hegde, Ex-Vice chancellor, Manipal University)
AWARDS AND HONORS
2006-
• Second Prize at the Best scientific Paper prize competition, Annamalai University.
• Invited for the First National Medical Students Research Conference, Pune. (1 among 135 students selected nationwide).
• Young Scientist Fellowship Award at the International conference of Urban Health Initiative, Surat.
2005-
• Best Paper Award at the 2nd Diabetes India International Conference, Jaipur
• Special award and the honor of being the first undergraduate to present a paper at the National Conference of Indian Academy of Forensic Medicine, Dehradun.
PUBLICATIONS
• Devesh V. Oberoi, C. Jairaj Kumar, Sydney ‘C’ D’ Souza, Arunachalam Kumar, B.M Hegde, (2007) Does Non Chaotic Weight bearing Foci cause Foot Ulcerations in Diabetics? Medical Hypotheses, 68(2), 468-9
• Devesh Oberoi, Jairaj kumar C, Tajjuddin, Sidney D’Souza (2006) Beta blockers and Malaria. BMJ (South Asia Edition), Vol.22, 402-4.
• C. Jairaj Kumar, Arvind Babu, Devesh V. Oberoi et al (2007) Obesity increases susceptibility to chikungunya infection. Submitted on invitation to New England Journal of Medicine.
• Devesh Oberoi, Ajji Kurivila, K.M.Saralaya et al (2006) Estimation of Stature and Sex from Foot print length using regression formulae and standard foot print length formula respectively. Journal of Punjab Academy of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology, Vol.6, 5-8.
CONFERENCE PRESENTATIONS
2006
• Devesh Oberoi, C. Jairaj Kumar, et al -an epidemiological study of chikungunya disease 4000 patients Best Scientific Paper prize competition, RMMCH, Annamalai University
• Devesh Oberoi, Sidney D’Souza, Incidence of Malaria in subjects on Beta blocker therapy: An Ongoing Retrospective Study, International Conference of Urban Health Initiatives, Surat.
•Devesh Oberoi, C Jairaj Kumar, Sidney D’ Souza , a simple diagnostic test to identify pressure ulcer prone areas using non linear wavelet analysis of the weight bearing foci in diabetics and healthy individuals., First National Medical students Research conference, Pune.
2005
• Devesh Oberoi, C. Jairaj Kumar, Sidney ‘C D’souza, Arunachalam Kumar. Chaos Science and the weight bearing foci in the healthy and the diabetics, 2nd DiabetesIndia International Conference, Jaipur.
●Devesh Oberoi, Ajji Kuruvilla, K.M.Saralaya.et al Estimation of height and sex from footprint
Length. 26th National conference of Indian Academy of forensic Medicine, Dehradun.
WORK EXPERIENCE: November 05, 2007 till Date: Consultant: content developer to a healthcare solutions company, Bangalore.
I’m also not being able to make up my mind whether to go ahead my my USMLE plans or stick to my MBA dream. based on ur experience plz suggest me someting besides rating my chnaces for ISB.
hi, i am an anaesthetist,doing srship,i did my graduation and pg from mamc delhi,want to know that part time or correspondance mba are valuaple to get job in pharma company rpl asap
Everybody, sorry for the delay in replying… been a very hectic month at work and on the personal front…
Manish: There are dozens of exams you can give… I suggest you join some decent coaching institute like CL/IMS, etc. and they will give you the download on all the possible options. Apart from the Indian exams, you can also give GMAT for international b-schools and ISB.
Your first step needs to be getting into a good b-school, worry about getting a job later.
Mayank: The above applies to you too. GMAT/CAT is an important first step to get in to a b-school in India or abroad. Then depending on different school’s procedures there will be more steps. Sessions vary for different schools. For ISB the next session will be March 2009 for which application deadlines will be in October and December this year.
Sonal: First, I think you need to make up your mind whether you wanna do an MBA or PG. I don’t think there is any use of joining PG only for the work-experience. Extra-curricular activities are very important for b-schools. You should continue with these. Getting the necessary job experience should not be a problem at all. There are tons of insurance companies looking for MBBS grads to work as underwriters. You should post your resume on some online job site and look for suitable jobs. You can also try applying to pharma companies directly. If nothing else, working as a resident in a hospital is always an option for you and good work experience also.
Dr. Balkrishna:
1. I’m not sure whether there are any specialised pharma MBAs, never heard of them neither did I look for them when I started my MBA plan. Even if you want to work in a pharma company only getting a broader perspective on management is always a better idea. You can then build on those principles as you work.
2. Pharma is a part of healthcare and I don’t see how it is not a logical extension to your MBBS degree. You understand the basic need for drugs and their power in curing diseases. At the end of the day you need to interact closely with doctors to develop, produce and market the drugs. So being a doctor yourself you are in a good position to understand those needs. You can build on this argument but please do research other points as well.
3. Please be honest in your interview.
4. You can go and market drugs to doctors, you can help the company decide what is the market potential for the drug pipeline and what will the best marketing plan for the same, etc.
5. You can specialise in operations, but remember that most operations courses in b-schools are manufacturing oriented, not service oriented.
Shobhit: Please read the post above… that is a decent guide to MBA after MBBS. If you have any specific query I will be glad to answer. I’m not sure about the maths part. You will need to check with the specific b-schools that you apply to. CAT/GMAT maths is only till 10th level and I don’t think you would have a problem with it.. but not sure about the academic requirements of the b-schools.
Vishal: I don’t think anyone is going to ask for a b-plan at this stage. You are planning to do an MBA so that you can make a good b-plan from your idea!! They might definitely ask you why you would be suitable to run such a plan – that is something you should have an answer for.
Dr. Raman: If you are really interested in hospital management then you need to look in to doing Masters in Hospital Management or Masters in Hospital Administration. I’m not sure how to prepare for those courses as I never looked in to the same. Please visit some university websites that offer this course and you should be able to find the requirements.
Devesh: Your CV only speaks about your PERSONAL achievements. While this is good, any good b-school or even company will want to know what you achieved in your work experience and how good a team player are you. Please cut down on your awards, achievements and stuff and write about your work experience too.
Dr. Nitin: Part-time or correspondence MBA can be decent too. I would personally suggest part time rather than correspondence since the biggest benefit of an MBA is interacting and learning from your peers.
i have done diploma anaesthesia with one year of teaching srship at mamc,have presented paper in many cme, was the president of college, and also secratory association of resident doctors, and medical education commite delhi medical association, and in, have organised many cultural events at national level, but i had only 51 percent in mbbs, do i have any chance of applyng for isb.i shall be greatly thankfull to u for ur advice.
Thanks Rahul, for reply.
To DR Deb
1.how much time did u take to prepare for the course
Approximately for 20-25 days, I did devote full time. It makes good sense to spend at least 4 months full time and 6-8 month weekend coching.One needs to spend more time if he is weak in maths. I was studying earlier, but internship left me with little time.
I took coaching from Byju class.He is available in mumbai, banglore, delhi,chennai on diff weekdays.
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To DR Deb
1.how much time did u take to prepare for the course
Approximately for 20-25 days, I did devote full time. It makes good sense to spend at least 4 months full time and 6-8 month weekend coching.One needs to spend more time if he is weak in maths. I was studying earlier, but internship left me with little time.
I took coaching from Byju class.He is available in mumbai, banglore, delhi,chennai on diff weekdays.
I am not a regular Blogger. so I request all u people to send queries directed to me to my mail address: look4balu@gmail.com
Wish me Luck frndz.
I am goin for IIM a IIM k IIM I interviews.
Hi Dr. Rahul,
My C.V above+ your reply to it as quoted
” Your CV only speaks about your PERSONAL achievements. While this is good, any good b-school or even company will want to know what you achieved in your work experience and how good a team player are you. Please cut down on your awards, achievements and stuff and write about your work experience too.”
Dr. Rahul i could not brief you about my work experince in my Cv as currently i’m an intern. My internship will be gettinh over in November 08. its just that ive jot a job alongside. right now i’m in Marlabs, bangalore with a package of 4.5 lacs pa. . By the end of my internship i’l be having some 1 year of work experience in my company as well. Plz dont be surprized at how i’m able to manage both the things simultaneously, but by god’s grace it going on smoothly.
As you mentioned previously that ISB’s new batch will be starting in March 09 and the application deadline will be october-december08. i just want to know if it will be in my favour to apply for the 09 batch with my already displayed personal achiements + combined 1 year of internship + job experience or shoule i work for another 1-2 years after finishing my internship in november 08 and then go ahead with the application process.
Please do reply back. my mind is in a big chaos and unless i get some expert advice on it I doubt my head will blast thinking over it. thanks
Dr. Nitin: You can definitely create an application that can stand a chance at ISB.
Dr. Balkrishna: Best of luck!
Devesh: I think you should work for a few years before applying. Looking at the profile of the doctors who came this year, even for doctors it is becoming pretty competitive. So some more work experience will greatly improve your chances.
hi dr rahul
ur blog is indeed like a story come true for the doctors who want to join mba after mbbs.i am a march 2007 pass out from baroda medical college and have spend an entire year for preparing for pg exams.i m hung up in the middle and wud like a switchover..plz tell that
1..shud i start preparing for GMAT or CAT at present or shud i wait for a year or 2 by working so that i can have sm work experience????
2.is there any maximum no.of attempts or any age till when a person can appear for CAT or GMAT exam???
3.any good institute in delhi for coaching for CAT syllabus???
plz do reply..
with all regards
dr.ankit
hi….
am a II year mbbs student n am doin my mbbs from a college in nepal which isnt recognized by mci……i didnt drop after my 12th as my parents advocated me to take admn. directly as i had failed in securing a seat for myself in the very first attempt of mine at the PMTs..As such my marks were never bad{Xth-91% n XIIth-85%} ……….i had been inclined at doing an MBA degree from begining but my father wanted me to have a fall back plan in form of an MBBS degree……….anyways he had agreed at allowing me to pursue my dreams of doin an MBA after am thru with my MBBS……………………………….
my question to u is that whether my having done my MBBS from nepal will affect my chances of making into a b-school……………….
as such i ll be recognized by the mci after i clear the screening test of mci…………hence my degree will be eligible for practice but will the board of the b-schools take it as eligible……………………….
plz tell one more thing ,my diploma in anaesthesia.will it be considered as two year experience
thanks a lot sir for the kind suggestions
Dear rahul,
m Sarang Bhide and i have completed my MBBS
I have got calls from IIM A Agree business manaagement ,IMT gaziabad and TAPMI for GD and PI
I m not being able to convince the interviewer why MBA
I dont want to do Hospital management because it would narrow down my horizons
I want to start my own polyclinics someday
and as the hospitals are getting bigger more people work there
more matchinery\its a huge organization
we need doctors who are apt at management to cater to this need
what do u think of this argument?
can u suggest a better way of putting this?
plz do reply
my interview ison 13th feb
hoping ur earlyest reply
regards
Sarang
hello guys
hello guys to all,
first of all let me tell u the truth behind the glory of software professionals and mba graduates,
1….plus points for mba ; good money,money and money, and no night shifts,
minus points; u r no more a doctor, u know we r bulid with such high level of individuality since the day we join mbbs ,people treat us as gods….
so from gods to suddenly selling products. manging hospitals,,,and joining as adviser in ngo’s needs lotta courage……….
2……plus points for mbbs: u r a doctor for ever..and u r the one…..and u treat the patients with ur own hand. and lotta satisfaction in mind…no need to degrade ur self from doctor to actor ( yes i call everything acting in corporate world, the way they dress they talk….all meant to enhance bussiness basically………
minus points after mbbs; low levels of income for some horrible time called pg,…but after pg its the dream come true……….
so i too will tell u some options after mbbs as my friend rahul always guides….
1…….mba : marketing ,,,,all pharma industries needs pharma guys,,,,,,,,,,….but we need to roam around the country like medical reps and dogs ….mmmm lotta worj through out the day…….u get phone calls at home.. even after long hrs of work at office…..so life is no relax game…
2…to do mba we need to do from institutes like iims,xat,mat,isb,spjain,symbiosis,wellingkar,tiss,…and so on,
3…….mba hospital administration/ master in hospital adminstration ………this ones better option for a cool life,leading the life of managers and so on.
4institutes offering hospital adminstration,,,,,,apollo institute of health sciences.,hinduja group, tiss, devi ahalya,kerala univeristy, madura kamaraj university,
4………insurance or tpa side,,,,,,,,,,u need mbbs plus a certificate regarding insurance…..given by osmania univerty,
good average life,,,,,,,,,pay packages around 30000,,,,but u need to have a lotta experince towards insurance claims before u get a job,,,,,then who wil take the freshers….every one needs experince,.hhelll then who wil give a job to greshers,
5……..medical writing….or medical content developers…..u need not have experince after mbbs……but pay atmost stops around 30000 for longer years, no growth,,,,
6…….do fellowships and diplomas in emergency medicine and family medicine,,,,,,,,,,,conducting by,,,,,medvarsity, apollo, cmc,,,wockhadt,institute of emergency medical services kerala,
7……go for usmle…….which is a very tough path,,,,chances of getting a good score,,,,,,low
chances of getting residency…….low.
chances of getting visa……………low……so not a good option….
8……..write dnb……….very attractive option,,,,,,,,and most of them should not quit writing this, as this always seems an better and easy way to getting settled in pg.
9…medical pg ,,,,,,,,very good writing this…..my opinion is to join immediately in any medical clinical degree,,,,,,,very descent life, respect in society, good satisfaction in life,,,,
10….join some diploma or medical pg in managemetn kota,,,,,,,spending 10 lakh ………..if u dont have money take loan from bank for diploma,,,this is better than spending 15 lakh at isb……still staying on medical side,,,,,,u know some colleges offer diplomas for 10 lakhs,,,,not md but diplomas,,,,,,,,exampls,,,,,,,,,srmc….vianayka missions..all karanataka private colleges,,,, etc,,,,,,,even with diplomas u get a decent 40 to 50 thousand rupees per month,..
11…….do msc computers after mbbs through annamalau university which doesnt require maths at undergraduate level to join computers at pg level….i mean join msc computer science,,,,,
with the computer pg degree…..u can join mtech computer science later,,,,,,,or u can even write gate to join iits…u know better way to shift to software side ………..and u may even get chances for usa,…
12…..establish a small clinic with mbbs,,,,,dont get shocked,,,my friends r earning a decent one lakh rupees in their own towns,,,,,,its true try it out u will know…..
13……before all that,,,,,,,,we doctors should have a good network, and team mgmt capabilities with unity to solve against all our problems,,,
14….take a loan and do a md in china or russia,,,,within 10 lakhs,,,,,,,
15………go to maldives,,,,,, they r paying a decent 50000 per month just for mbbs,,,,,earn and study there for pg with friends….always go with friends…
16…..last but not the least,,,,,,join a govt sector,,,,,u wil earn around 15 to 20000 ,,and establish a small clinic in ur own town u wil get nice bucks,,,,,dont get afraid with md s…..clinic really runs,,,,,,before that u gain experience in emergency medicine and managing cases,,,,,,thats mandatory……..with that we can even eliminate and prevent rmps pmps,,and direct prescription of drugs by medical stores,,,,,
17………friends why not we fight against medical stores and stage a dharna and strike all over country level……becoz they act like doctors all the time prescribing their own medicine with their own diagnosis.think abt it,,,,becoz if we stop that ,,,the demand for docs increases profusely…
i forgot to tell abt my qualification,,,,,,,,me dr tomcruise……..mbbs+mha+msc.computer science,+mba distance mode……now working in who……but my plan is to shift to cilinical side in future …….
one thing is true friends dont underestimate mbbs r medical side, its a previlage we got a chance to become doctors,,,,,and serve people…….dont feel ur self inferior to mba and softwware professionals,,.,,,its not all the money that matters,,,,,,,,,,we need lotta satisfaction at the end of the day for what ever u do………dont get frustated when u get troubles,,,,,,,,just go to a movie r enjoy and then….just give a tough fight again…u wil get success at the end,,,,,,examples r my own friends…..and basically i dont encourage any of my juniors to shift to other sides as it looks more un ethical……remember” the other side always looks greener”
so think well before wat u do and b justified for urself before wat u do..its not the money that all matters at the end of the day…….
its so great that rahul khandelwal initiated this site and ideas in thiking different or out of the box……..
every one has their own ideas ofcourse we have to respect them…..
finally thanks to my friend rahul kahdelwal for giving me this chance to write my opinion in ur blog…..i spoke to u on mobile many times, keep guessing pal,,,,,,,,,,,bye hava good day.
u know software professionals r the ones who get spodylyitis, impotence due to long working hrs in computers,,,,,,,,,so b care fullll….u need to marry in life…….hahahaha
this is the best website i have ever seen…….
what is the persentage of doctors applyng , and how many get selected,plus what is the grading system ,like academic performances vs gmat,a good gmat can it overrule poor academics, thanks sir ,reply
Hello…….just completed internship after MBBS…….have joined Max New York Life as agent advisor………this post is for nine months…..after that i will be given the job of Underwriter (those who look into the medical claims of insurance holder) depending on my work………
1) What is ur opinion on this job prospect?(if u have come across this field)
2)Can you please tell me whether this kind of job (taking granted that i will do it for 2 to 3 years)………..would help me immensely at the start and end of MBA????
Hi sir,
i m in mbbs 2nd year
and m thinking over preparing for cat,
sir is it necessary to get a work experience after internship, to get admission into IIMs or ISB or XLRI.
cant a doctor get a job in any private banking firm after doing hi mba.
thanks
Ankit: As I said to others, you need more experience before you think of an MBA. What exactly have u been doing during the one year that you were preparing for PG?
Bharat: It is for the individual b-school to decide whether or not they will accept your degree or not. Please check with them. Work experience will matter more in a b-school but yes, your degree and academic performance also holds weight.
Dr. Nitin: Each b-school will have different criteria of deciding whether your diploma is work experience or not. Please check with them. I’m not sure how many apply, but about 1-2% of the batch is doctors in ISB. We don’t know the exact grading system, but there definitely must be weights for each part of the application. Exceptional academics/GMAT can over-ride work experience and vice versa in some cases also.
Sarang: I am really sorry that I could not reply to you earlier. I hope that your interview went well.
Tom “Rohit” Cruise: Thanks for the great comparison between MBBS and MBA… and the joke about the software professionals! Also thanks for the other options after MBBS. I am sure a lot of the readers here will find it useful.
Amol: I’m not sure about the future prospects of such a job, but after you become an underwriter or senior underwriter then what is the career progression? You need to figure that out from others in your company. My estimation is that there will be no further growth with only an MBBS degree. Keeping this job for 2 to 3 years will definitely help you with your entry into an MBA programme and your job prospects after that.
Amber: It is always better to have work experience before MBA. ISB requires at least 2 years while IIMs and XLRI have no such requirement, but will value it. You can get any kind of role after an MBA, but will need to justify your shift to that role.
Hi Rahul,
Great job on the advices. There are plenty of us out there who are in dire need of some advice.I am doing my MBA 1st yr (MMS as we call it here) at Welingkar Institute of Management,Mumbai. Did my MBBS at KEM Hospital, Mumbai. Managed a 99.23%le in CAT 05 but didnt make it through GDPI. Having trouble on deciding on the specialisation for MBA.Doing MBA for the same reasons as you.Dont wanna go into sales/Mrktin or HR. Am thinking of Operations as the best option. Also, having trouble finding a summer intership. Please advice..
hi
my internship getting over next month ,i found it difficult to decide my carrier line i think pre.pg brings great deal of insecurity, i m very much intrested in MBA, i m good in maths but poor in english( poor gujju. student)…i m facinated by high salery pays offered to MBA PASSOUT,
to be honest thats d only thing i think i know about MBA
if u can brief me about mba preparation time required for it and how to plan for d future in same
hi i want to know, for gmat self sdudy is ok, or we should join some institute
Dear Rahul,
Its gr8 that i hav been able to locate u online after a lotta trials to find medicos doin mba.
I m a dentist,finished my internship in sept’07 frm Govt dental college,mumbai..Academically hav always been much above average,hav highest aggregate in 4 years in my college.though i hav a lot of interest in clinical dentistry,my personality needs variation.I hav a gr8 flair to communicate,can very easily convince ppl.
Finally figured out that Mba is wat i shd go for ahead.took CAT 07,but wasnt prepared at all,so ended up faring badly.got 92percentile in xat.but no calls frm xlri.Cleared the exam for TISS and am selected for gd/pi.
Hav also taken the mah state CET for jamnalal bajaj.Awaiting results.I knw if i get into ne of these institutes i wil do a gr8 job coz i hav always had an urge to learn.
But i hav a very basic doubt….wen i m asked why am i shifting fields..wat shd be my reply.Infact TISS also has hosp administration,but i hav applied for an HR course.So this would b another Q at the PI.
Kindly advise me.Currently working with a dentist.Also doin a parttime sales job.
I wil wait eagerly for ur reply.
And once again,thank u so much for starting this blog.
Regards,
ramya
Hello Dr.rahul
I m indeed happy to find this blog as it has answered many of my queries.I am a dentist,finished my intyernship in sept’07.took CAT but dint get thru(was hardly prepared)
Currently hav got a call frm TISS for HR and awaitng for state CET results for applying to Jamnalala bajaj in mumbai.hav been working wwith a dentist since internship completion.
u hav said in the above replies that we hav to find a good reason to take up mba.My good reason is that thought i m a good clinician,i dnt see myself doin it all my life.I need variation at work,more creative.Marketing is wat i knw my strength.Can easily convince and communicate with ppl.
ACADs SSC 86.4,HSC86,BDS 69
if i hv to take gmat,how do i go about it,wen shd i take the date if i start preparing?
kindly reply.
Thanx,ramya
Dear Dr. Rahul,
First of all i would like to congratulate u for this wonderful site, immensely informative and brings a lot of confidence for all doctors who are willing to take up MBA….
I would like to tell about myself, I have 6+ years of experience post MBBS which includes 2+ years in corporate sector. My CV is as follows:
¨ Currently working as a General Practitioner at Chandana PolyClinic, Bangalore since Feb 2007.
¨ Worked in the capacity of Clinical Research Physician at Apotex Research Private Limited, Bangalore from Apr 2006 to Jan 2007.
** Conducted more than 10 Bioequivalence (BA/BE) studies
*** Roles and Responsibilities included:
Ø Responsible for performing all study related duties according to Bioequivalence Centre’s Standard Operating Procedures, Study Protocol and in a manner consistent with the appropriate regulatory guidelines, ICH-GCP requirements and Safe Work Procedure
Ø Responsible for the screening and in-study assessment and medical care of all potential clinical volunteers/subjects
Ø Review study information prior to the start of screening and conduct screening of potential study volunteers
Ø Review screening results and assess volunteer suitability for entrance into the study and provide medical counseling to volunteers with abnormal screening results
Ø Review clinical protocol and Informed Consent Form prior to the commencement of the study
Ø Review subject eligibility to verify protocol requirements
Ø Confirm subject’s comprehension of study activities and ensure Informed Consent is given prior to entry into the study
Ø Oversee and assist in administration of test articles by the test article custodian/pharmacist
Ø Assess subject’s adverse events and provide appropriate medical follow up and withdraw the subject if necessary to protect subject safety
Ø Review subject monitoring and safety data during the conduct of the study
Ø Perform end of confinement assessments and discharge subjects from the study site
Ø Work and/or liaise with external medical services as required for appropriate adverse event follow up
Ø Review applicable clinical reports as required following the study
Ø Supervise the management of clinical emergencies and approve the use of on-site necessary emergency medical equipment
Ø Assist with training of SOPs and protocols to medical personnel including nurses, phlebotomists, custodians and pharmacists
Ø Assist in creation, development and revision of Bioequivalence Centre’s Clinical Operations Department’s Standard Operating Procedures
Ø Supervise the activities of the nurses, phlebotomists and duty medical officers for rendering appropriate medical services to the subject at the Clinical Facility and assigning the duties to them
¨ As a Senior Medical Transcriptionist at Spheris India Pvt. Ltd.(Formerly Healthscribe India Pvt. Ltd.) from Dec 2004 to Apr 2006.
** Roles and Responsibilities included:
Ø Listen to dictated recordings made by physicians and transcribe them into medical reports, correspondence, and other administrative material. The documents produced include discharge summaries, history and physical examination reports, operative reports, consultation reports, autopsy reports, diagnostic imaging studies, progress notes, referral letters etc.
Ø Returning of transcribed documents to the physicians or other health care professionals by uploading the file online for review and signature or correction. These documents eventually become part of patients’ permanent files
Ø Translating the medical jargon and abbreviations into their expanded forms by referring to standard medical reference materials – both printed and electronic, in-house electronic material as well as over the Internet
Ø Comply with specific standards that apply to the style of medical records as well as to the legal and ethical requirements involved with keeping patient information confidential i.e., complying with HIPAA requirements (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act)
¨ Undergone Transcription training at NEXT from Sep 2004 to Nov 2004 which involved training on:
Ø Language of Medicine
Ø Typing
Ø Americanism
Ø Basic computer skills and MS-Office
Ø Phonetics
Ø English Grammar
¨ Resident Medical Officer at Amala Hospital, Kannur Dist., Kerala from Jan 2003 to Aug 2004.
** Roles and Responsibilities included:
Ø Managing Medical and Surgical Emergencies
Ø Outpatient department in Medicine
Ø Resident Physician at the ICU, managing all kinds of cardiac emergencies with good exposure to treating cardiac emergencies
¨ Compulsory Rotatory Resident Internship as an Internee at K R Hospital, Mysore from Dec 2001 to Nov 2002 with rotational postings for 1 year in the following departments viz., Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Obstetrics and Gynecology, Pediatrics, Community Medicine and minor postings in various other departments as well as rural postings.
Computer Skills
-Working knowledge of MS Office
-Good Competency in Windows Applications
-Good Keyboarding/Typing skills
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As for my academics, i had 64% in MBBS, 92% in +2 and 86% in SSLC. I am good at mathematics, good team player and a good leader too as I found myself in the corporate environment. Right now i am planning to go about this MBA option. What do u feel about my academics and my CV/work experience and if i start now, how should i go about my preparations if i target ISB for the next batch… Sorry for the comment being too long, please bear with me…
Kindly reply,
Thanks and Regards,
George
Its definitely not as easy as narrated by dr.tom cruise.The on-field scenario is completely different.Establishing private practice by a medical entrepreneur has become extremely difficult nowadays.Especially due to increasing presence of BAMS and BHMS docs.Settling before the age of 35-40yrs is extremely difficult.That too it is uncertain.Luxury after attaining MD degree was a story of the past.Today even big hospitals like Wockhardt,etc. hire docs with PG for a meagre Rs.25-30,000 for a 12-hour 6-day week duty.MBA is definitely a good option provided u have the liking for such field.But what I want to stress is that dont remain in dreamy state as picturised by dr.tom cruise.
thanks drrahul…
Its very useful blog
I just wanted to make a suggestion.
It is very difficult to find your site on google..
Please do something to make it visible. As youare a webmaster already you know better how to do that..
one more thing you can dois put your blog link in websites regularly visited by med grads..
like RXPGonline etc.
hi Dr, Rahul, i m dr. vinal, i passed my mbbs in 2000 & i completed my internship in 2001and i have >4 yrs clinical as well as teaching exp. & i m thinking for prep. for gmat but i have one que? in my mind whether i will b eligible to appear in the gmat exam OR NOT ? .b’coz my mbbs % 55, XII 40% , X 55% , PLEASE REPLY ME SOON
Dear Sir,
I would like to enquire, as a doctor, post MBA, what sort of wages can one expect?
Thank You.
Dr.Yogaratnam
Vikrant: Operations is a good specialisation to take up. However, make sure your institute teaches service operations as well, since most operations courses are aimed at manufacturing and logistics. Have you tried all the hospitals for summer internships – Apollo, Max, Wockhardt, Fortis?
Hardik: If you want to go in for an MBA right after MBBS, without work experience, then you need to concentrate on CAT, etc. Join some good coaching institute like Career Launcher, etc. They will guide you well. If you want to go to a place like ISB, you need atleast a couple of years of work-ex before evening thinking about preparation.
Dr. Nitin: Self-study can also be OK. However, getting some coaching always helps.
Dr. Ramya: I think you need to be honest about why you want to change fields. Just let them know that you don’t find dentistry that interesting and your interests lie elsewhere. Also, let them know why you feel that the HR course will be good for you and how it will help you reach you career goal. For GMAT, I suggest you start preparing and then take a date that makes you feel confident. You should ideally give the GMAT about a month before the application deadline for whatever b-school you are applying to.
Dr. George: Your CV looks good. You can give a good shot at getting into ISB. I suggest you start preparing for GMAT immediately and give it atleast a month before ISB’s application deadline. In the meantime, start making your CV crisp. It should ideally not be more than one page long and should also include extra-curricular activities, which are missing from your CV. ISB likes well rounded people. Concentrate on a good GMAT score and we can chat more after you have that in hand.
Rahul: I agree with your thoughts. However, I am sure there are many people who love being doctors so much that they don’t mind long hours and initial meagre pay. Do remember that even doctors can mint money after 40-45 years of age. But yes, the percentage of doctors doing that is decreasing today.
Dr. Balkrishn: Thanks for the suggestions, I’ll look into it.
Dr. Vinal: GMAT itself does not place any restrictions on who can give the exam. However, you will have to check with the b-school that you want to apply to whether they have any cut-offs.
Dr. J. Yogaratnam: Depending on your prior work-experience and the b-school you graduate from you can expect to earn between Rs. 4 lakhs to Rs. 40 lakhs or more.
Thanks Dr.Rahul. You odd to be congratulated for your blog site and the advise you give. Well done and keep it up!!
By the way, Dr.Rahul, I’m assuming that those post MBA wages for are per annum………right?
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Dr Sabiha Tabassum
Educational Qualifications.Passed M.B.B.S. from DECCAN COLLEGE OF MEDICAL SCIENCES,HYDERABAD in Dec’2005 and( secured 65%Passed INTERMEDIATE from VIKAS RESIDENTIAL COLLEGE,GUNTUR in 1999 and secured 90.6% ie 906/1000.Passed S.S.C from ST.JOHNS ENGLISH MEDIUM HIGH SCHOOL , KARIMNAGAR in 1997 and secured 90%.
Professional experience Jan 2007 – Till Date Consultant Medical Officer at GEMONEY SERVICINGGlobal Hospitals, Hyderabad, APDec 2005 – Dec 2006 Medical InternOwaisi Hospitals& Princess Esra Hospital, Hyderabad, AP
Additional professional activities Medical Tutor , Global College of Nursing Participated in PULSE POLIO IMMUNISATION every year during the period of medical studentship.
Languages English, Hindi, Telugu, Urdu
Personal Attributes Subject Matter ExpertiseAccountableCredibility among peers and LeadershipCuriousity to learn beyond required skill setsCreativeOpen and adaptable to change.Ability to communicate for different level of understanding
AccreditationsVolunteer experienceAwards received Secure State 2nd Rank in A.P.R.J.C entrance exam in 1997Secure 1100 rank in EAMCET in 2000 & Secured Govt. Seat in Medical College.Participated in PULSE POLIO IMMUNISATION every year during the period of medical studentship.Received Madina Gold Medal in 1999 for excellent aggregate in Intermediate examination
Interests and activities Reading, Cookery and Music
PLZ ADVICE ME REGARDING GETTING ADMISSION INTO ISB.PLZ GUIDE ME.CAN I HAVE YOUR MOBILE NUMBER DR.RAHUL?
Dr. J. Yogaratnam: Yes the salaries are annual. Thanks for the compliments!
Dr. Sabiha: All my advice regarding admission to ISB is given on this page. If you have any specific question I will be happy to answer that. Going through your resume I see that you have 2 years of experience (including internship). You might want to consider waiting for one more year.
Hi Rahul,THANX to reply me,
i would like to ask u one thing more, suppose,if i score around 700 in gmat whether i can get the call from isb like reputed b-school or not?
or can u suggest me the name of colleges,where i can get the addmission. i shall b highly obligde.
dr rahul,
i found ur site 2 be vry useful.im realy confused bout my future aftr bds.im currently an intern.altough i love my profession bt im concerned bout th meagre pay.please guide me bout th openings i hav.also some institutes are offering mhsptl mngmnt in correspondence.would they do any good.pls guide me in ths regard.
thankyou.
Hello Rahul,
I am a therapist working in USA for past 2 years.How are the chances for me if i want to pursue MBA.Is it same like the doctors?
thanks,
ani
Hi Dr. Rahul,
Thanks for your reply and your suggestions and guidance. I have started preparations for GMAT as you have told and I will try my best to get a good GMAT score and then catch up with you as you have suggested….
hello sir,
wanted to know your opinion about hospital administration course in the united states. does it have good scope too
Hi rahul
Thanx a lot for ur reply.Its very kind of u.
Also i wanted to knw if u can help me regarding universities abroad where in i can apply wid a 2 ye work ex…i.e including internship.
if u could suggest me a few i wil evaluate further.rite now i m a novice at this.
Hi Dr. Rahul,
I’v got a lot of topics to discuss with u if possible, regarding a MBA after MBBS. What is the best way to go about it?. Through this Blog or through Mail?
hi dr rahul
thanx a lot for making a forum where confused soles such as me can seek some guidance
i am doing my internship and have just finished mbbs from mamc,nd.
i am very confused at this juncture as i do not have any liking for a particular subject.i have realised that clinical subjects are not my cup of tea.i am tired of working in an overstressed thankless environment.
i believe that it would be a better option to do an mba rather than settle for a non clinical course.
now i wanted to know about some things
1.how stressful is life post mba as compared to the life of a doctor(say md medicine)
2.can you compare a md pharmacology with mba as i have heard many pgs from our college have been placed in good companies after their pg
my priority is not lots and lots of money but a better quality of life.so please suggest whether i should go for a pg degree in pharma or opt for mba
waiting for your reply.thanks
hii Dr. rahul…..i kept a close watch on your site for the last 2 months or so. I was in a dillema about my carrer plans ..now finally after reading all the posts in your blog i finally decided that i would like to give the MBA option a try . so finally i have started preparing for the CAT from this month….lets see wht lies in the future….
Dr. Vinal: Only a GMAT score will not get you through. Its the whole application package (GMAT, work experience, essays, interview) that will be considered. You should apply to a good mix of b-schools – some top tier and some second tier – to maximise your chances of getting through.
Jitaly: I personally think that a contact programme is much better than correspondence. I have given a list of opportunities post-MBA in my post above.
Ani: Your chances will be as good as any one else, doctor or engineer. You just need to be able to convince them of the reason you want to shift to management and that you have an aptitude for it.
Dr. George: Best of luck!
Misbha: I don’t have much knowledge about this particular course. But remember, there is a need for hospital administrators and if you do your course from a good college you should land a good job.
Ramya: I have not researched foreign universities too much. I suggest you look at sites like Business Week and Financial Times to research the universities and then take a call.
Archana: The blog is the best way.
Dr. Pranay: 1. An MBAs life can be equally (or even more) stressful than a doctor! I don’t think there are many jobs that are not stressful. However, any job that you enjoy will never be stressful.
2. If you want to be in research or the clinical side of pharmaceuticals, then an MD is a good option. If you want to be in management/marketing/sales, etc. then you need an MBA. Both can get you good jobs and salaries, but you also need to consider the growth opportunities. I am not sure of the growth opportunities for MDs in pharma companies. You should speak to someone and find out.
Dr. Deb: Best of luck!
Here’s an article about MBBS after MBA from the Times of India – MBBS grads pursue MBA to rise quickly
dear rahul ,
Quite informatic this blog is , its impressive but still
I have a doubt,
Which field in MBA is better after MBBS and what is the process of getting into it ?
Which institutes in Delhi are good for persuing the MBA course ?
Or Outside delhi if corrospondance courses available.
hiiil Dr. rahul
can u tell me one thing? wht is the difference of preparation between CAT and GMAT.and is internship counted as a experience or not
hi,
Nice to know there is a sensible and impartial discussion on careers after mbbs on this forum.Am planning a career change.This discussion made me aware of the various possibilities and the views of my peers.keep it going.congrats to the moderator.
Thanks for the advice, Rahul. My MMS course does just the basics of the operations side of the service industry, but I plan to stick to Operations. However, alls not going well on my summer internship plans. Wockhardt has no summer projects nor does Asian Heart Institute.Got a contact in Ruby hospital Pune, but landed with the same response. If you have any ideas on that front, please let me know. Thanx.
hi sir,,
i have just finished my final yr.
i dont like to practice
can u give me information about other options available ( i.e like mba not involvin treatin patients) ..
waitin for ur reply
thanks
hi,
am a 2nd year mbbs student…i just wanna know wat all can i do (apart from internship) after my mbbs to get the work-ex required to do MBA…
i would appreciate if u could just brief me bout the advantages and disadvantages of doing MBA from abroad compared to doing it from india…
thanks…
hey man,
very inspirational site for all of use confused medicos.
i got 3 questions:
1:: An MBA from a good reputed B-School, whos a medical graduate, would be offered a place only in the healthcare sector? wat if i want to be in a slightly creative market. Away from hospitals, maybe work for an MNC in IT etc… etc….
2:: Abt the PayScale .. could u please state average pay scale of docs coming out of ISB –PER MONTH? i hear its 4 lack rupees, but is that annually or permonth..
forgive my lame question, but im tryin to figure out the difference abroad and here.
3: this is personal slightly: wat prompted you to quit Medicine, and join business
and yea, im a freelance webdesigner, im coming up with a student website for my college- complete in PHP, AJAX, SQL custom made.. and im looking forward to putting up an interview with you on da site.
– Raheel -MediCiti Institute Of medical sciences- HYD
Hi, Im in a very similar dilemma to most of the guys around here and Im glad I found this forum.
Im an MBBS grad with a Masters in ENT to boot and have 5 years work ex after that. I graduated from JIPMER and having finished my masters from there as well, I worked in the UK for 2 years and in PGI, Chandigarh for 3.
I have a decent (not sky high) acad record but no significant extra-curricular achievements, atleast not certifiable.
My interest in the ISB stems from a growing interest in the emerging healthcare industry in which I want to play a part as an operations manager. I guess I would eventually like to be near the top of the tree in a major chain of hospitals in the future.
Having said that, doubts do creep in. Is the environment in B schools in India conducive for doctors. Are they misfits? Are the concepts too alien to grasp easily? Are there any good job opps after?
Also, is there a possibililty of combining clinical practice with a management job or would that perhaps lead to confict of interest situations?
I apologize for the length of this post but thought I would pen all my thoughts down in 1 place!!!
Advice much appreciated
Dr. Suman: Any field is good as long as it is to your liking and fits your career aspirations. Getting into any MBA course is pretty much the same process.
Dr. Deb: The basics for both are the same. For CAT you would need to stress more on maths and for GMAT more on english. Remember GMAT does not have a DI section. You also have to write two essays in GMAT. It depends upon the institute whether your internship will be counted as experience or not.
gj: Thanks. You are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
Dr. Vikrant: I’ve been getting a lot of such queries. Unfortunately, no openings at our place either. You might want to try other Apollo hospitals, Max, Fortis, etc.
Sabarish: All MBAs do not involve seeing patients. Just read through the post above and all the comments and you should have a good idea what to do.
Chaitanya: You can take up jobs with insurance companies, pharma companies and hospitals to gain work ex. Even working as a doctor is considered work ex. I feel it does not matter whether the college is in India or abroad. You need to select a good college, rather than a country.
Raheel: 1. You can get a job in any field. You just need to able to convince the company that you can fit in there.
2. The average pay per year is around 13 lakhs. That would be about 1.1 lakh/month.
3. There were various reasons. I felt I could do better here + I really did not like private practice.
Nishikanta: That’s an interesting comment after a long time! ISB was a great environment for people from all fields. The diversity really does not make you feel like a misfit, although some people (even from IT backgrounds) sometimes feel odd. I guess it boils down to your aptitude for the course.
The concepts that you learn are easy to grasp if you have work experience and have faced real life business issues. Considering your work ex I am sure you would have faced some atleast.
There are tons of good jobs available, especially in the healthcare sector. From ISB’s class of 08, there were doctors who have been placed in quite senior positions in hospitals.
I’ve heard that a lot of doctors in the US practice medicine while holding administrative posts, but am not sure if such opportunities are there in India yet. I’m sure you would be able to discuss such a job with a potential employer though. There are hospitals that are now looking for people to handle a whole department (e.g. cardio, neuro, ortho, etc.) from a business point of view. You should be able to practice your speciality and run the concerned department too. However, once you become a CEO or have some other top management role, I doubt you would have enough time to practice.
Let me know if there’s anything I missed.
Thanx dude. Will let you know if something comes up.
hi rahul,i am a mbbs 2nd year student from china…and i want to apply for m.b.a in hospital management or some other medical related field…..and i want to do it from australia or japan or some other country….but not from india.i am an average student..can u plz guide me how can i apply for the college?Which website will provide me the best info. regarding colleges?which tests i have to take to get admission in a gud b school??can i get to settle in some other country after i complete the degree?i know my capabilities and if i want i know i can do well…its just that i dont see my future as a doc….and i dont want to practice…..also i dont want to spend my time and money inmd or ms…. i will b very obliged if u guide me and tell me….waiting for ur reply…….
hai sir,
tis is Delfin. . . . . i finished my BDS 2years before and was trying for MDS,bt i mised in a narrow gap.nw i wud like to do MBA in a god institution.kindly guide me
Gagan: Since you are asking about Japan and Australia I can’t give you much info since I never looked at these two countries. Your best bet for finding out about these countries (or any other country) is to get in touch with their educational missions (like British Council for UK and USEFI for USA). They will be able to give you a lot of information about courses, future prospects, settling down in that country, etc. There are third party agencies also that provide this information but I suggest you research these agencies carfully before approaching them, since they can be fraudulent also.
Delfin: I hope you have gone through the post and all the comments above. All my advise about doing an MBA is given here. If you have any further specific questions please leave a comment.
thanx sir, fr giving such valuable infrmtn 2 all the aspirants. i m one of them. i want 2 knw that work exp in hosp mngmnt will b more weighed or as resident doctors. can u give me infrmtion abt best inst gvng coaching for cat n gmat
rahul, ur blogs amazing..its very informative….im an mbbs doctor with 15 mths work experience…and am keen on settling down in singapore…what r the prospects in singapore after an mba from the above mentioned institutes
Amol: It is not the type of experience you have but what you achieve during your work. If you do much better work as a resident doctor, it will have more weightage than working as a hospital administrator. However, working as a hospital administrator will expose you to the kind of work you can expect to do after an MBA. That can help you decide whether that is what you really want to do or not! I still suggest you should what you think you are better at. I took coaching for CAT from Career Launcher and for GMAT from Kaplan.
Hemona: Singapore is a hot destination. I know that a Singapore hospital came to ISB this year to recruit. Apart from healthcare, there are lots of other companies that come too.
sir,
i m in mbbs II year,
is it too early for me to have decided to do mba after mbbs,
i hv also decided not to pay much attention on mbbs academics,
is this right???
Amber: I think it is slightly too early to decide. Anyways, even if you have decided to an MBA you need to concentrate on MBBS academics, since a good score will be important in getting you admission to an MBA school.
Here’s a recent article from the Economic Times on the need for MBBS MBA people in the industry. It has quotes from an ISB grad and also from the CEO of Wockhardt.
Doctors with MBAs: The numbers are fast rising
Rahul, thanks for ur prompt reply! May I know what R those other companies?
hi rahul
firstly GREAT SITE…..mus b helping loads of ppl around…wanted to know bout getting into ISB. Have just graduated ,March 2008. one yr of internship and another 6 months or so of work ex with a gud gmat score(I STILL hav to take the gmat, but i’ll mange a gud score…) …is dat gud enuf to apply to ISB..Idnt wanna spend too much time trying to get work ex.
Hemona: IT, consulting, banks, i-banking, pharma, real estate, etc. all come to ISB for placements.
Chinks: You need atleast 2 years of work experience. Your internship will be counted at the time of admission, but most companies will not count it as experience during placements. Even if you get admission to ISB at this point of time (slightly doubtful even if you have a good score and all) you will be in trouble at placement time.
hii rahul can u tell me the maximum limit a doctor CEO can earn?is there any earning limit of doctor CEO’s as comapared to doctors in medical practice
Hi Dr. Rahul,
I have some clarifications regarding GMAT. Could you suggest me some of the good coaching institutes for GMAT in Bangalore. If you are not aware about this, could you suggest any of your contacts from Bangalore from whom I can get information regarding this.
One more thing, is it okay to join a CAT coaching and prepare for GMAT on our own with the help of just books. One of my friends suggested me that CAT coaching helps a lot for GMAT as well and whatever is left out can be learnt by our own efforts, is this okay or do we really need to go for a GMAT specific coaching (I am planning to take up GMAT in the next 5 to 6 months, hence I feel coaching is required for me to go on the fast pace…)
Also could you suggest me some good books for GMAT preparation…?
thanx fr ur valuable suggestion.i too want 2 do my carrier in management nt in mrktng or hr.all career launcher institute r of same repo or of sm specific place.shd i cont my studies of cat n gmat while tkng wrkexp or devote me seperately fr der prep.
hi sir……i am a physiotherapist… completed my intern last month only.Seeing the prospects of physiotherapy in India i have made my mind to shift my field of study to MBA and that too not in hospital or health managemant..so i wanted to know what are the chances of a physio to go into MBA finance or marketting or HR??? will i be accepted???
Dr. Deb: I don’t think there is a limit to earnings on either side. Good doctors, esp. surgeons, can earn quite a lot. Also, you can be a CEO of a small hospital and obviously not earn quite a lot. In either line it all depends on how well you do. I think you need to get out of a fixation for money and figure out what exactly you want to do in life.
Dr. George: I don’t know of someone who will be able to guide you regarding coaching in Bangalore. Try a site like pagalguy.com for advise on that. You definitely could take coaching for CAT and prepare for GMAT on your own, but remember that the English in GMAT is quite different from CAT. If you are unable to cope up with that on your own you need to take specific GMAT coaching. You definitely need to get the “Official GMAT Guide”. A GMAT prep book from Kaplan or Princeton is necessary too.
Amol: All CLs should be decent, but the faculty makes a difference. You should contact some students at different CL centres near you and figure out which is better. Also ask for a sample class at the centre. You can continue working while preparing for CAT/GMAT.
Tim: Yes you will be accepted provided you can show to the prospective employer that you are capable of handling those things. There are lots of docs who have made the shift.
Another article on doctors in the corporate world:
Doctors taking corporate road in medicine
HI! I m RISHI PATHAK GRADUATE IN B.D.S doing internship from lucknow. i want 2 know abt MBA IN RELATED FIELDS
HAMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY
:HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT
:
HEALTH AND TOURISM MANAGEMENT
PLE INFORM ME ABT CAREER PROSPECT IN RELATED FIELDS
hii rahul…..thnx for the reply. I saw the article that u gave the link..it is really inspiring…u asked me to come out of the money thing and decide what i want to do in life….well to tell u the truth ….. I dream of really becoming RICH and famous one day and do BUSINESS in a large scale…… I entered into the medical field because i previously thought doctors make most of the money and not due to some passion….Doing practice doesnt attract me much….Thts why i thought of doing MBA (so that i can do business in future and also earn a lot…and that too in less time as compared to after doing MD/MS)….Many people think that im being an escapist by leaving the medical profession…but is the desire to make money through a descent way bad?
Hi,
I am a BAMS doctor form chandigarh, have 2 yrs experience in health sector, i have taken admission in MBA in dayanand sagar institution, bangalore, I need to knw, what are field , which are best in this management line. Which field- marketing or finance will be best?
Do you knw abt the placement of this college.
Do i have to prepare for mathematics or commerce , as my classes will be started in august 2008. Do i need to take any extra coaching for maths in the middle time?
What are jobs for mba in pharma industries? do they recruit mba as Medical representative?
Please throw some light.
Thank you.
Hi Dr Rahul,
First of all i want to congratulate you on your success and efforts for helping doctors.
I am mbbs from rohtak, i have 4 years of work expereince as RMO, Can you suggest – which field has highest package- finance, or marketing, or HR?? Please guide me asap .
I have taken admission in a college in new delhi, Which field i should opt. plz help me ,
Thank you.
hi sir….
thanks a lot for such an informative site…….
i am doing my final mbbs.in a pvt college in andhra pradesh
i m in a dilemma abt my future……
and getting a pg seat in open competition is very tough…….i hope u know abt that…i want u to guide me, wat to do next, after my mbbs….
how to secure a seat in mba….which colleges would be better for a good future…my percentages are Xth 85%XII 89%mbbsI 67%mbbsII 69%….please advice me…..i have 2 more yrs to complete my mbbs……….please do reply…
hi doc, iam bds dentist from delhi, i want to know which br mba is good, iam thinking of doing in health care. how is the scope. i am in private practice since 4 yrs. if i do it thru distance learning i,e. part-time will it have good job prospects because im not willing to leave my practice right now.
what r the good univ offering distance mba. is sikkim manipal univ a good option. pl do reply
Hi Dr.Rahul,
I am a BDS(2004) from Bangalore and an MPH(2007) from UK.I was practicing for a year after BDS and worked under a couple of dentists for a year after MPH.
Now I am being offered a position as a Manager,Medico-Marketing at a Medical Diagnostic Company.Can you please advise me about the growth in this field.
Thank you.
hy dr.rahul
ts ws rly nice to come across ur site m rly appreciate ur efforts f being f so mch hlp tp others.im a 4th yr student of BHMs ,and i am very much keen on duin MBA in hosp mangement..and not realy gong into practice..but as i went through ur answrs to many u have mentioned dat a work experience is required…is it so?also i dont know much about the GMAT etc stuff..can you clarify some to me..it wpuld be of graet help..waiting for your reply..
hhi rahul …i am a mbbs studdent doin my intership frm jaipur… am cofused frm which istitute shud i persue my mba frm.my dad has two hospitals under him n i waa help him out since hes alone. plz help m me out.the institute shud preferably in delhi.
thanking u
urs truely
dr.misha bansal
hi rahul, i m gagan here i passed my mbbs in june 2004. i hav one and half years work experience in casualty. now i m pursuing DNB ortho in delhi. i m interested in doing MBA as u know passing DNB is too hard. please advise me n thanks alot for initiating such a wonderful site…. pls do reply
dr gagan
hello sir,
regards. sir i wanted to know whether the 3 yrs as pg resident is counted as work ex in ISB?
2ndly, is 1yr internship(after MBBS) counted as work ex in ISB?
I know that its not counted in CAT(IIMs) but i dont know about ISB)
kindly reply……..
ps: i’ve also posted the same querry in pagalguy.
Rishi: All the opportunities after an MBA in one of these fields is given above in the post.
Dr. Deb: I am not against making money. I just suggest you go into a field that you like. Any field that you excel in will get you money too.
Shiv: Marketing or finance needs to be your choice, whichever you like. Both are great. I’m sorry I have no idea about the placement of your college. If you are weak in maths I suggest you review your maths uptil 10th class. I don’t think you will need any coaching. A list of possible jobs is given above in the post.
Sumit: I’m not sure about HR but the other two have comparable salaries. Finance might pay better when the market is doing good but again no guarantees.
Sandeep: It is too early to think about MBA right now. You should ideally wait for a few years after MBBS before thinking about this. Atleast wait till you start your internship.
Dr. Jitender: The healthcare branch will be good, but you can do an MBA in any branch with equally good prospects. A distance MBA will not be as good as a part-time or full-time one.
Arun Kothur: You need to speak to the guys in the company to figure out your exact role and also your growth prospects within the company. With this kind of exposure you can grow within the marketing space in pharma. However, I am not sure whether your MPH has given you exposure to marketing. If not, that can hamper your growth further.
Megha: Work ex helps you get the maximum out of your MBA. I recommend you work for some time before doing an MBA. I have put some advice in the post above about GMAT and stuff. If you have any specific questions please let me know.
Dr. Misha: I have heard that FMS, Delhi has a good healthcare MBA course. Dunno about others.
Dr. Gagan: I’ll be glad to help you out but I need some specific questions to answer.
Eric: I’ve replied to your post on pagalguy too. The answer to your question is given in the post above too.
TO DR RAHUL,sir really thak you for this work ur doing ..ur showing good pathway for many juniors who are in confused state after our course…sir i planning to do mba in health administration in uk/usa universites ..tell me some colleges which are offering this course..are ther any difficulties to study abroad for indian students..can i directly apply to the corse…please doctor ..give ur valuable sugesstion
thanx sir, wht r these questions which u want to ask from me… sir plz help me out..
GAGAN
hi rahul,
i really feel lucky to come across your blog.
i finished my internship in dec. 2004 i have been working as a senior research fellow in a WHO funded clinical trial at AIIMS for last less than 2 years,else i have a few months of experience in clinical work. i am seriously interested in doing MBA now,i wanted to know wat waitage my work ex carries in instutes like isb or iim and that i was just doing nothing for almost one yr right after mbbs i am worried that does my cv looks rather depresing.
Dear Rahul
Ifinished MBBS 15yrs ago was working for someyears, after marriage children profession took back seat now children have grown up thinking about re starting my career, Iam good at public relations can you suggest which branch of MBA and where can Ido and what all the coaching Ineed , Iam now in cochin, kerala.
thank you.
hey rahul,
Does a bds + mba have similar prospects like someone wid an mba post mbbs, with mktg,hospital admin, pharma indust.. etc…
How to get work experience from companies in something like marketing….nobody offers jobs even as a trainee
have my resume on almost all job portals….
mainly my question was is bds + mba promising enough???…
After gooing thru your blog it definitely seems so for mbbs + bds
I am plannin on a DDS/MBA dual degree from US, maybe it would aid in getting into superior postn in healthcare,pharma,dental companies…
Plsss correct me if i am wrong…
And yup a note of appreciation….
Thank you for sharing your experience….very difficult to find a doctor + mba combo…..everybody is mainly contemplating….
Thanks again..
hi sir…. please reply me…
sir, can u pls tell me which field in MBA is good, in DELHI in which institutes can i join or outside delhi which institutes r prividing correspondence MBA degrees.
thanx sir
Arjun: I’m sorry I don’t know of specific universities in the US/UK which offer these courses. Apart from the regular difficulties a student would face when studying abroad (expenses, living alone, probably some racism, etc.) i don’t know of any specific difficulties. I guess you can directly apply for the course, though I am sure the US/UK universities would be more strict than the Indian b-schools regarding work experience and all. You will need to check out their eligibility criteria on their websites.
Dr. Gagan: You need to ask me some specific questions! All fields are good in MBA… you need to decide which one you like best or have an aptitude for. I have heard FMS has a good healthcare program. Otherwise there are a ton of b-schools in Delhi – Fore, Amity, etc. I would not recommend a correspondence course.
Jessy: If you are good in public relations, a career in customer relationship, service operations or marketing should suit you. You would need to brush up on your maths and english for the entrance tests. I don’t know of any specific b-schools in cochin…
Dharav: BDS + MBA has good enough prospects. I had a colleague in ISB who was BDS and he’s doing extremely well. What exactly is DDS? If it is a post-graduate degree then it will definitely help get you better jobs.
DDS is Doctorate of Dental Surgery it is conferred upon in the US just like how after clearing USMLE you guys get MD…We get a DDS but we have to undergo a two year vigourous course and the curricullum is the same as 4th year BDS in India…
Otherwise may just give GMAT take some work experience and directly do an MBA its a shorter way…
Hey are the job prospects for me only confined to a Dental industry/companies or will be eligible for other companies besides healthcare??
Hi Rahul,
I am keen on pursuing MBA after my internship. Wanted your Input on one aspect. I had one paper back in my final year MBBS result, which I cleared in next attempt. Is this going to have negative impact in my selection to IIM’s /ISB?
Dharav: While you can go in for a MBA only I think your job prospects will be better with the DDS. Last year ISB had only doctors with MD/MS as compared to my batch which had mostly MBBS doctors. Their placements were significantly better. One of the reasons obviously was that they had more work experience but the PG degree should have played a significant role.
You can get placed in other companies too, but probably not get that good a role as you may in a healthcare company.
Dr Liza: It could. The b-schools will compare you to the rest of the doctors who have applied and unless you bring something significant others might have a better chance. So if your other academics are strong, you have good work experience and extra-curricular activities I would not worry much about it. Just FYI, I had to repeat two papers in my MBBS
hey thanks so much Rahul…Appreciate your help…All the best to you!!…
Hi Rahul,
I am an MBBS doc with 6 years of experience including 1 year of internship, 2 years of practice as a duty medical officer, 2+ years in clinical research as a clinical investigator and 1 year as a general practitioner. My acads are pretty good. I had been following your blog for quite a long time, was encouraged a lot with your answers and my only target was ISB and am about to take GMAT…
But your last reply to Dharav has given me a jolt, i.e., “Last year ISB had only doctors with MD/MS as compared to my batch which had mostly MBBS doctors.” About a year back i quit a good career in clinical research and had been preparing for GMAT and ISB and now all of a sudden u r telling or I am understanding that its difficult for MBBS docs to get into ISB. Could u please tell me what r my chances looking at my work exp. and with pretty good acads… (assuming I get a GMAT score of 700+).. I am very much confused and lost, shed some light on this aspect at the earliest please….
Thanks for a prompt reply….Appreciate your help.
Dharav & Dr. Liza: Glad I could help!
Harish: Its not necessary that ISB will not admit doctors with only MBBS! As I’ve said before its the whole package. You have good experience and a good GMAT score should help you out too. Remember ISB will compare you with the other doctors who applied. If you are better than them you get admitted! Give it your best shot… I feel you have good chance.
Thanks a lot for ur earnest and swift reply…. was bothered a lot after ur last response to Dharav, now feel a lot better after u said i have a good chance at ISB with my current status….
All the best for u too…..
hello sir i m in final yr BVSc(vety grad) n i want to do MBA after my graduation.
can u plz tel me d MBA courses specifically for vety.grads…?
I have done MBBS.I am working in UK as a hospital doctor and about to complete my MRCS. I am thinking of doing of doing an MBA course in international healthare management in aberdeen[scotland] and then come to india to work as a hospital manager.
I would like to know what are the opportunities and career pathway i have to follow after coming to india following my MBA.I would also to know about the average payscale for a hospital manager.
thanks,
Dear Raghul,
thank you for the reply, could you please find out the branch you have mentioned is avilable as distant education………………when you have time.best wishes,
jessy
Hi Rahul,
I am in process of making my resume. Can you Please share a sample template used by you.
Thanks in advance.
Hey Dr.Rahul,
You’re doing a wonderful job in maintaining such an informative blog. I’m and mbbs graduate from Russia with 4 years of experience. By the time I finally decided to pursue an mba, the 2008 ISB application deadline was over. But I have gotten a call from Asian Institute of Management (Manila, Philippines), which has a 16 month general MBA program starting Sep 08. I understand that (AIM) is an institute of repute. I would like to know your opinion of this institute. Further, what pre mba preparation must one do to ensure that one is at least on par with others when one joins an intensive program like the those offered by ISB and AIM. I’m extremely worried that doctors might find themselves like fish out of water from the first day of the MBA program. Please advise…..
hey dr.rahul,
i am a 6th sem student at AIIMS,new delhi.i have been confused about my future for sumtime……i am not interested in pg anymore,life z pretty hard with low returns……now,i hv kinda made up my mind to prepare for CAT….i jst wanted to know if i shud give it a try during my internship or work for sumtime…..as i dont intend to work after mbbs…..
How much wil work-ex matter…
my scores: 10th -93%,10+2 -90.8%
59% in both 1st and 2nd proff. exams….
kindly help…
hello DR. RAHUL
i have done my m.b.b.s. this year & preparing for p.g. exams.please tell me how could one do m.b.a. along with p.g. what are the future prospects for a private m.b.a. instiutes like amity etc.
Hi Rahul, I have been offered a Summer Internship at Jupiter Hospital, thane in Operations. have no Idea on what kind ofproject to pick up. The hospital has left the choice to me. Any suggestions?
Abt me: Dr. Vikrant Rathod MBBS KEM hospital, MBA Operations Welingkar College, Mumbai.
Hello Everyone,
I know lot of people are looking forward to leave the medical profession but I want to bring to your highlight the following article. There are also lot others who desperately tried for the medical seat and who wanted to be good doctors.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2921262.cms
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hello rahul,…
same-name-buddy!!!!
hehehe….
….
well nice tohave found out someone to help guys like me confused between the medical stream n MBA..
me doing internship presently..
but i m in two minds whether to continue or switch to MBA.
m proud to b a doc, but the xcess work n beggar-like-pays r a turn-off…
at the same time the glitz, glamour n fast money of MBA is beckoning me..
please guide adequately so that i dont make any decision just in haste…
plzzz HELP!!!!!!!
Anuj: I’m sorry I don’t know of any MBA courses specifically for vety grads. But why do you need a specific course?
Abhishek: The healthcare industry is booming right now in India and jobs are plenty. You can choose from various functions (Ops, marketing, ops, finance, etc.) The career path would differ in each of these functions, but a good degree and hard work should take you up the ladder. Pay scale would depend on the hospital and the function, etc. but should be in the range of 6-15 lakhs.
Jessy: I usually don’t recommend a distance course, but if you really want one I think Manipal University and Symbiosis offer some distance MBA courses.
Dr. Liza: You should create a simple resume which includes: Education, work experience and extra-curricular activities.
Dr. Kumar: I’ve heard of AIM but don’t know much details about it. As long as you are decent at basic maths you should not have much problems. Remember, the courses are as alien for the engineers as they are for you!
Ankit: While the IIMs don’t have any minimum requirement for work experience, some experience should give you an edge over the other applicants. If your only aim is CAT then no experience is necessary.
Dr. Gurmeet: I’ve not heard of any Indian college/university offering a MD+MBA programme. However, these are popular in the US.
Dr. Vikrant: You can ask the administrators there if they have any problems they would like to fix or any improvements they want to make. Otherwise you can pick up a project to help them figure out what new things they can do based on customer feedback.
Ani: Thanks for sharing the link. I think most of us know this stark reality about the Indian healthcare situation. However, the reality also is that most docs are frustated with the meagre pay and ridiculous loads. If you think about it there are really no incentives for doctors to go work in rural areas (no infrastructure, even lower pays, etc.) What really is needed is to figure out ways to provide incentives for people to become doctors and work in underserved areas. (And putting regulations like a one year compulsory rotation in rural areas will never work since people will always prefer incentives over such regulations.)
Dr. Balrishna: Congrats! I hope you will continue to contribute to the discussion here by sharing your experiences at IIMA and guiding fellow docs who want to follow your path.
Rahul: There is no glitz and glamour in being an MBA, trust me. Further, there is no fast money either. The pay is definitely better but you still have to work like a dog! So you still need to come up with a better reason than this to switch.
Dear Raghul,
thank you for the advice Iwill reconsider it.take care.
regards, jessy
Hi rahul,
Do they consider internship as work exp?because i mailed ISB For inqiry they said they do not consider it
Vaibhav: They used to consider it when I joined. They might have changed the policy. I will have to find out from them.
Hi Rahul,
Thanks for all the posts and valuable information. I am graduate in Homeopathic medicine having put in 20+ years in service and planning to pursue MBA. I have couple of questions regarding ISB and MBA as a career given my 40+ age, what do you think of – a) career prospects, b) eligibility from ISB standpoint. On a separate note – I would like to know your views on MBA in clinical research offered by CAHS in association with TMV University Pune (http://www.pexa.org/)
Thanks so much!
Hiii…. Dr. Rahul,
i was searching for any physiotherapist at dis site,bt i didnt get.. i hv completed my BPT in 2007 and my 6 months intern jst nw,jst sum weeks ago.i wnt 2 enter in d management field nw..wil my internship count as a work exp.????is coaching necessary 2 crack CAT n all..my parents want me 2 gv CAT, XAT etc on my own.bt i think sum guidance is needed..dont u think??can u plzzz tel me dt which buks shud i go for???4m where i cn get all informn regarding course,buks or ny relevant information..m so mch tense regarding my future…kindly guide me…..
THANKS A LOT IN ADVANCE….
KEENLY WAITING FOR UR REPLY……
am thinking 2 do MHA or MBA in H.R………..one of my senior said dat MHA is more suited for MBBS student..most of the hospitals prefer MHA wid MBBS..is this true??? wil my job as a physiotherapist get counted as a work exp for MBA?? wat r d future prospects of MHA???? wat is the work of a hospital administrator??? i knw 2 much questions 2 answr bt plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz DO REPLY………
Dear Dr. Rahul,
What is the score required/cut-off score for AWA section in GMAT for ISB. There is no mention of this piece of information either in ISB website or in your blog anywhere. Could u please help me out in this aspect….?
Hello Sir
your blog is simply amazing , loved it[:)]
i have done b.d.s(intern) n now m planning to change orientation, so can you plsssssssss suggest me some good b-schools n m preparing for gmat[:P] so slightly confused as well, coz ve no wrk ex[:(]
so sir kindly suggest me whtr shud i go for
1.cat or gmat
2. good fields for dentist
do rep[:)]
regards
[:)]
hi rahul,
i m a final year mbbs student from cmc, ldh. i always wanted to do an mba but was forced by folks to do mbbs. my scores till now are 55% in all 3 profs and 90% in 10th and 84% in 12th. does it really send out a wrong signal for admission to isb or iim’s to have a low mbbs score considering that i never wanted to do it in the first place.. or does it not work out like this and i shud never be honest about telling them that mbbs was a mistake acc to me. i cleared ntse.. does that help?
should i start studying for cat or gmat in internship itself and then give them in the same year cos i dont want to work anywhere as a doctor?
P.S. i have to pass final prof first.
thanks a lot
Rishabh
hi Dr, you are doin a great work, for sure.please advice
1.could you tell me,in what post were you working as an intern?
2.how did you join that post?
3.how long were you an intern?
4.is there a better placement prospect initially if i do my mba from some us/uk bschool?or do the companies prefer ppl trained in india?
5.i have made up my mind reg mba,but not sure if i want to work in ops/finance/marketing/….is it a common case scenario?(i am slightly obsessive bout getting all the work assigned to me done)what would you rather me take up?
6.will there be incentives for getting things done?(i am working in public sector now)
7.I SHOULDNT ASK YOU THIS,but please dont get offended.is the pay you are getting now enough to support a ONE MAN EARNING family in a town like where you work now(i am a small town guy hailing from kerala,single)
8.i have not made up my mind regarding hospital chains/pharma/clinical research companies..would you rather me do a post graduate diploma in clinical research course(cost4.5L,dur-1yr,internship-6 months),for better experience and placement?or will a clinical research officer post for one year or two do just fine?
9.would you mind if i call you at some time of your conveniance?
sir, i know you might be busy.if you can ,please reply.a ‘Y/N’ will be far enough for me
thanking you
dr.dileep
hi dr.rahul
thanks for this all information.
my internship will completed by march-08.after that what kaind of work experience is good for me which will help me to get addmission in isb?
Kamesh: We had people in our batch who were 30+. They got decent placements. With your experience, you should have some good options available in the healthcare space as well as other sectors. This is the first time I’ve heard of this MBA. I visited the site but could not get much info there.
Geetanjali: IIMs and a few other b-schools will not count internship as work experience. ISB did count MBBS internship as work experience during my time, but I don’t know about BPT. I think coaching is necessary. You should go meet some good coaching institute like CL, etc. They will let you know how to prepare, what books to read and all. Hospitals employ both MBA and MHA students. Yes, your job as physiotherapist should get counted as work experience. An MHA would start off as an executive/manager in a hospital and go on to be an administrator/CEO for a hospital. The job of an administrator is to ensure that everything in the hospital runs smoothly.
Harish: I never thought about that! As far as I remember ISB has never asked for that score separately. I think that they would not give much importance to the AWA score, since they ask you to write some essays themselves. They can judge your writing skills from those essays much better than the AWA score.
Dr. Richa: Without work experience you can only go in for CAT, not GMAT. I did not understand what you mean by “good field for dentists”.
Rishabh: This is tricky. I think you need to be honest in your interviews. You will have to figure out how best to put this across to the interviewer so that it does not sound negative. What was your ranking in your class in all the 3 profs? As far as ISB goes, you need to get some work experience. If ISB is not your goal then you can give CAT straight out of MBBS.
Dileep: 1, 2 & 3. I don’t understand what you mean by post. My MBBS internship was the regular internship that all MBBS grads do and it was 1 year long.
4. Placement prospects will depend on how good the b-school is and how well you do there. US/UK also have some really bad schools.
5. That you have to figure out for yourself. Most b-schools will have core courses for the first part of the course and you can decide later which field you want to take up.
6. It all depends on the company you join and their pay structures. But most companies include a variable component in the pay structure.
7. Yes, I think so.
8. I really can’t comment on this, since I don’t have much idea about clinical research courses.
9. I would prefer answering questions here.
Dr. Ruchir: Any work experience, even working as a resident doctor is good enough for ISB. The key is to be able to demonstrate to ISB that you have the skills to be a leader in whatever job you do.
hello sir,hw are u? ur blog is wat i was searchin for in the last few days.. i am a final year mbbs student in gmc jmu.day by day m gettin disillusioned with this medicine field partly bcoz of the fact that i dont hav any aptitude for clinical medicine and partly coz of the no. of years one has to put in for a decent degree n practice..so an mba or mha is wat i hav in my mind rt nw..i used to be gud at maths in schooldays but nw a bit of polishing wud be required..! also i am very fond of reading,writing and travelling and yes managing things..i just want ur frank opinion abt how to proceed from here coz i feel u”ll be able to understand me better..waitin for ur advice..thanx a lot..tk cr..
thanku very much. and in ur opinion doing mba from isb is good? and for gmat how long preparation is enough?
and mba in hospital management or other? and what u have done? and what is the duration of ur course.
thank you dr
a)in posts 1,2,3,i referred to your workex after mbbs,which was mentioned in one of the above posts as an internship with a company,if i am not mistaken
b)after 2yrs of contemplation,i’ve made my mind that i am going for medical post graduation,however poor the financial prospects may be
c)your posts have been very helpful in reaching my decision
d)I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GOING THROUGH ALL THESE TROUBLES JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HELPING YOUR PEERS..which is definitly rare nowadays
e)dont get me wrong..with this much amount of compassion for those in trouble,its a great loss to the patients that you left the field(i am extrapolating)
f)thank you for your time again
dileep
Neha: As I’ve mentioned above, you need to get some work experience before joining some MBA (especially if your goal is ISB). So get a decent job and after a couple of years prepare for GMAT/CAT…
Dr. Ruchir: I guess the industry and media coverage of ISB goes to show that doing an MBA from there is good
Preparation for GMAT depends on how long it’ll take for you to get your maths and english up-to-date. If you’ve been out of touch I think you’ll need about 6 months. A general MBA should be good. I have an MBA in marketing and my course was 1 year long.
Dileep:
(a)1. I worked as a intern in market research and marketing.
2. I applied and was accepted
3. 6 months and 4 months, respectively
(b) Its a good decision and i’m sure if you stick to it, the financial prospects will also be good, but in the long run.
(c, d, e, f) Thanks!
hello Dr. Rahul
my class rank was 42, 38, 35 in the three profs in a batch of 50… umm surely not good!! but i got all india rank 2 to get into cmc ludhiana with just two seats for all india general candidates. i m sure that would help in some way as far as creating an impression goes. what do u think?
thanks a lot for your guidance
well i m a pediatrician,dch working in a private concern with level3 facility in assam. what i would like to know is that since i cannot leave my job to prepare for gmat or take coaching for the same n assam i s bit left behind in communications, how can prepare for gmat….what study materials do i need,procedure to apply etc…for isb…in short guidance like from Aamir khan in taare zameen paar…
thanks a lot dr.rahul.
right now my internship is going on which will complete by march 09. so what is the ideal time to get admission in isb? and whic h other institute i should try? and for that admission by what time my gmat score will available with me?
thanks.
and what are the boooks available for preparation? and any good link for online preparation?
Dear Rahul,
please guide me how to prepare for CAT or MAT…..,no idea at all…..books, sites or institutes to guide………..where to start how long the preparation………….
thank you.
jessy
hi, i am a physiotherapist from ACP,(apollo hospitals) n hav 6mnths of working experience……i m so very confused with my future that i feel i want to change my field …..i was interested in doing my MBA but ofcourse not from ISB but i wud do it from correspondance…….if u cud plz help me decide wat field wud do me wonders coz i know pretty lot of people in hyd Apollo n it wudnt b difficult for me to get a job there(hopefully) but plz let me kno if its fine to do mba through correspondance…. n in which field are we paid well waiting for a quick reply thanx.
Hi Rahul, its indeed a great effort from your side to help all us confused doctors.
Now coming to me… I have been selected this year in TISS , Master of Health Administration.
I am doctor with 2 years of work exp in hospitals.
I know TISS is famous for its HR, I just want to know about the market reputation of MHA from TISS. Any idea from your side will help me a lot to finalise….
i too have the same doubt as it was asked previously by some one else. i wnt to know whether the mba clinical research that is given aippg forum and education times mumbai edition dated 12th is worth doing,
the course offered by centre for advanced health sciences in combination with tilak maharashtra university from this january and the second batch from june.. they say it is ugc approved but i need some more light on this by anyone in the forum… hope u will definitely help me rahul… am a dentist by profession and have done my pg diploma in clinical research and keen to do this course if u can shed ur idea i can proceed with this course in june… do reply thanx
Thanks for doing wonderful work via this blog.
i have done BAMS from delhi in 2005. I have 3 yrs expereince of RMO, and ayurveda doctor in various hospitals of delhi.
Now i have taken admission in MBA IIPM delhi, clases will strt from july.
my question is
1. If i get a job in IT company like dell or infosys , will my 3 yrs expereince be counted , and will they give prefrence to me ,
2. what u feel , if i choose mba finance,can i go in health sector through this .
3. I have listened that mba marketing docs are given job as MR (medical reprsentative), is it right? does marketing involves field work?
4. What difficulties we face in MBA studies?
5. Do u have any contact with BAMS , MBA professional.
Thanks for your time.
Hello rahul,
First I congratulate on your great work.
I am BAMS & was doing private practise for last 3 years.Will private practise be counted as work experience?
HI Rahul,
Glad to inform you this.
There are 4 doctors in my batch at IIM Ahd.
1 Balkrishna GMC Miraj
2 Dinesh GS Mumbai
3 Love AIIMS
4 Rohan Ahmedabad
One more I know is at IIM Koz
1.Purab Ahmedabad
@VIKRANT
HI there ,
I think my frnds DR SWAPNIL n DR DEEPAK(Welingkar) are your batchmates. And Ranjan(JB) n Dinesh(IIMA) ur KEM batchmates
@ SANDEEP
They usually wnat a JOB at a NSE / BSE listed company or at a GOVT orgnization
Rhul
Thanks Again
Wonderful work.
I have refered many, asking me about doctors n MBA to this page
Rishabh: That should definitely help. You might want to ensure that your resume also talks about stuff and achievements other than academics so that the interview also does not focus on acads.
Dr. Abid: You need to get your hands on some GMAT prep book from Princeton or Kaplan and the Official GMAT Guide. For the ISB application procedure please visit ISB’s site which will guide you.
Dr. Ruchir: For ISB you should work for atleast a couple of years more after the internship. You can give the CAT/XAT in the meanwhile and apply to other b-schools like IIM, XLRI, Symbiosis, etc. See my post to Dr. Abid above for the books.
Jessy: Books I’ve mentioned above, you can also join a coaching institute like Princeton or Kaplan. I think CL, etc. also give courses for GMAT.
Sameera: I would not advise an MBA by correspondence. Further, the field you choose depends totally on your choice and interest. All of them pay well, though currently finance guys are making quite a bit of money.
Dr. Sourav: I’ve heard good things about the TISS MHA.
Sivakkumar: I have been unable to find out more details about that course and so can’t comment on it.
Vikram: 1. If they give you a job in a healthcare related field then your work ex will count.
2. Yeah you could. There are PE funds and I-banks that take docs with an MBA in finance.
3. Some MBAs from lesser known b-schools might end up as MRs. Yes, marketing would involve field work.
4. Maths and stats can be an issue.
5. Sorry, I don’t.
Sandeep: ISB should count private practice as work experience. Write them a mail and they will confirm. But you will have to show some achievements and back that up with recommendations from some patients. Can’t say about other b-schools.
Balkrishna: Great to know that so many docs are there! Thanks for telling others about this.
sir,m a student of 2nd mbbs!n i wanna join management……………..just wanted to know d syllabus 4 dat……n wen shud i start preparin 4 it.sir plz tell will it be a bargain of ny sort if i stop thinkin bout P.G xam and concerntrate on isb??
Hi Rahul! Its a great job that u r doing! Thanks! I am an MBBS passed out in 2002 did my internship until 2003 and then accidentally got into clinical research. This field has helped me move from a typical hospital setup to a corporate environment and then slowly into the management role. Now with 5 years of experience right from working in hospital setups to setting up clinical research divisions for companies, actual hands on experience with doctors to the role of heading clinical operations, I find myself more inclined towards the management side (somehow my maths phobia has reduced though not disappared) I now have a baby and my hubby is well settled, am planning to start a small clinical research teaching institute (either myself or as a franchisee for a renowned group) so that I am not bound 8 hrs at workplace and can devote time and attention to my kid. Also for this venture I would actually be spending just 1 working day (8hrs) out of home and its just 2 hrs job for the rest of the week which I can manage from home. Now when I am doing this, I want to make the maximum of my time. I cannot leave my kid to a maid /creche for 8-9 hours (which would be the case if I am doing a corporate job) but am happy leaving her in a creche for 3-4 hours (for socialising etc) Also I am OK with a maid to take care of her but under my supervision. This means that I can take some time out for studying (will try to manage the classes when baby is at creche) at home. Just wanted to ask you the following:
1.What is the approx time required for the prep given that I am an average student (with some phobia of maths although I scored 87% in maths during my HSC) so that I keep realistic goals?
2.Am I trying to chew more than I can bite (wanting the best of both the world’s: professional and personal)
3.How much would my experience help?
4.Is it possible to complete the course at ISB if my baby (now 6m) stays with me (will be around 1.5. to 2.5 yrs old by the time I am admitted if I get through) Any such examples in the campus?
5. Which classes would you recommend from Pune?
6. I am currently drawing a package of 16 L pa. Would doing a course at ISB help me financially later? (although that is the last reason on my list) I want to do it to really broaden my horizon and think like leaders do and get into a leadership n innovation mode. Also will my current position (decent one) help my candidature?
hello rahul,
i have cmpleted my b.d.s and rite nw iam dng my internship whiich i will cmplete by june 2009
iam nt interested in this course nymre and want to do my m.b.a.iam planning to prepare for CAT and hoping to join in IIM’S.my grades are not at all good
10th-59% 10+2-84%and b.d.s58%.do u think i would be eligible to join in IIM’S with these grades and also i had backlogs in my 2nd and final b.d.s.if iam not eligible can u plz plz suggest me some good B schools where they offer good placements and a handsome salary.plz reply soon.thank u.tc.bye
hey sorry for the reversal………I meant bite more than I can chew!
Also what score should be my target while preparing for GMAT?
hi rahul i done my M.D(PHYSICIAN) NOW ineed some information abt addmissiom\n in b-school.what the role of mba for medical professionals.i m confused.plz be ciear
hey dr. rahul
wz following ur blog frm a long tym
myself also intrested in doing mba frm a reputed b school
all i wanted to knw is do they[mba inst.] really luk ur academics marks in the interview…….what if i concentrate on mba frm rgt nw and perform soso in my academics
what wud be a c/d a decent % in 1st and 2 nd proff. ??
thanx in advance!!
and one more thng….. u r doing a gr8 job by helping others like me !!
hi
im completing my internship by next month.but my query is little different.im not interested in mba course.i wud like to know if there are any short and clinically oriented courses at the same time cheaper ones;i mean such courses other than MS/MD/DNB but somewhat similar to them.hoping for ur valuable suggestions regrding career options suitable for me after mbbs….
Hi Rahul,
I am BDS and presently doing PGDH_HM ( hospital management) through correspondence. Is there any additional benefit of doing MBA. What are my future prospects?
Dear Rahul,
Smashing work this blog! I finished my MBBS in 2001 and worked in the UK for 5 yearsfinishing my MRCS and getting some element of higher training in Orthopaedics. However with changing scenario in the UK moved back to India and Have got into MS ortho for 2009.
Is it worth pursuing this career or are the prospects better following an MBA now from ISB?(i have a wife and an infant son)
Does one have to stick to healthcare or pharma jobs or have people broken the mould and got into non healthcare jobs?
Looking forward to your reply and thanks
Aditya
Dear Rahul,
I am MBBS , PGDBA(HRM) and presently doing LLB from Panjab University. With these qualifications where can i find a job.
Dear Dr Tom Rohit Cruise Can I have ur e Mail ID. Mine is aloksobti2001@yahoo.com
i am final year mbbs student from west bengal. i am intersted in hospital management and as such courses.plz suggest me some good b school with average course fees, plz help
I am going to join MBA in Health Care Admn. at FMS, Univ of Delhi.(1)Is there anyone here who has done this course.
(2)Dr Rahul, what kind of placements can I expect after doing this course?
Isha: Its way too soon to start preparing for MBA! ISB will not take you without work experience so you should only start preparing for ISB after having worked for a few years.
Jyoti: 1. 6 months is the outside limit I think you would need to prepare for GMAT. Maths is not such a big issue. You should aim for a 700+ score.
2. With your current scenario its not too big a deal getting both the things in life. But think about once you get into ISB and then onto a corporate job. You’re not going to have the luxury of time then.
3. Your experience is going to be a great asset for you.
4. Yes. Loads of women come to campus with their children and family.
5. Please find out if there is a Kaplan or Princeton in Pune and join that. Even CL, IMS, etc. provide courses for GMAT.
6. Getting a package higher than that straight out of ISB might be slightly difficult, but I’m pretty sure that the growth prospects will be bright.
nowshad: I’m not too sure about the IIMs but I think these scores do make you eligible to sit for the CAT. You can check on their website or in the CAT prospectus. There are lots of decent b-schools in India. Go to an institute like CL, IMS, etc. and they will give you a lot of advice on the b-school scene.
dramit: I hope you have read my post clearly. It lists some of the jobs that a medical professional can get after an MBA.
naveen: Try to search for a Kaplan or Princeton in Chennai. Otherwise try CL, IMS, etc.
Dr. Jasmine: Medvarsity (an arm of Apollo) offers some courses like the ones you are looking for. Try searching for those on the net.
Payal: If your aim is to be a hospital administrator then MBA is not going to be of any use. If you want to switch streams then you can consider an MBA. The best prospect for you would be in hospital administration.
Aditya: If you are looking at financial prospects then I don’t think there is much of a difference between MS Ortho and MBA. If you like doing what you are doing, stick to it. Coming to ISB with family is not a problem. 1/4th of the batch is usually married and lives on campus with their families. There are lots of docs from ISB who have switched industries and gotten into non-healthcare jobs.
Alok: I’m not the best person to tell you about job prospects with your qualifications, but I would guess you might have a good chance in law, esp. medical malpractice and the like.
Swati: Most of the good b-schools in India have average fees. Plus, most banks will give you a loan for your education, which you can easily repay once you get a job.
Ashish: I’m sure the placements after this course should be great! You should take a look at the list of possible job prospects in my post above.
Shashank: Sorry missed replying to your post. Academics is an important part of the interview and the whole application process. I don’t think its a good idea to ignore your current acads and prepare for MBA. Rather than a decent percentage I suggest you should aim to be in the top 25% of your class. Thanks
I WANT TO DO MBA ,I HAVE DONE MBBS,BUT RIGHT NOW FOR ME EARNING IS MORE IMPORTANT.CAN I STUDY AS WELL AS EARN WHILE DOING MBA?KINDLY GIVE ME SUGGESTIONS.
Dear Rahul, Can I have the E mail ID of Dr Tom Cruise, He may be able to guide for my future prospects with WHO . You can post me on my email ID also. It will be a great help. Thanx Alok
Hello
I am BAMS with 4 years experience as RMO & private practise.I have scored 688 composite score in MAT.Where do I stand? is RMO & private practise considered as experience while getting job? I have certificates of them.
Hi rahul.
1. Is is true that MBA from ISB have average package of 19.5 lakhs. This was quoted by ISB Dean M Rammohan Rao.
Can you clear this concept.
Check this link
http://www.rediff.com/getahead/2008/may/22rao.htm
2. How will you rate the scope of online MBA ,
http://www.rediff.com/getahead/2008/may/27trans.htm
Can a doctor with 2 yrs expereince can get a job after such online mba course , from univeristy of liverpool. It cost usd 12000. Do u think it is worth??
sir i have the same query as Shikha.Just checked out your blog today and most of my doubts are solved.U are doing a commendable job sir…keep it up….God bless….
Thanks Rahul for your guidance. I also attended the admission event at Pune yesterday. But had really few questions as you answer most of them here:) Thanks again!
hi,dr rahul,I am a BAMS,MD(Ay.)doctor With 5Yrs working experience in Ayurvedic college As a hospital administrator,lecturer,& medical officer.
pursuing mba from iipm.i have good academic record,extracuriculer activities,got international placement as a ayurveda director in a usa based co during my MD.bt didnot join it.i want 2 do specialisation in finance.pl.suggest me future plan according my details.my e-mail id. is drkaushal2002@yahoo.com
hi rahul,
please help me know about the prospects of HEALTHCARE/HOSPITAL management from TISS MUMBAI.
what pay package i can expect after doing MHA from TISS. please also let meknow about other good institutes where i can go for my MBA in HOSPITAL administration.
looking forward eagerly to your reply…….
hi rahul
i have done my BDS in2006 and did work in some private cilinic but then left now i am woreking in kolkata for last 7 months . i had scored 62.5 %in bds and 83% in 10 and 72.5%in 12 , i want to do my mba and since i am still working i think by the time i give my cat i will be having a work ex of more than a year . i am ready to work very hard and get into IIM , i am joining a coaching institute foe brushing up on maths and to be regular with studies . is mba a good option for dentists and should docs go for mba HR or some other branch
hi
I am doing MBBS 6th semester . first time visiting ur site….want to do mba . help. not well in english but good in maths.
Hi rahul
thanks for a grt website
I have done my MBBS from AIIMS but I want to be a hedge fund manager. I have applied for CFA level 1 and hope to clear it . Do you think an MBA from ISB would help me change my professional field all together. If everything goes according to my plan then I would have completed CFA all three levels when I apply for ISB…(2010 batch)
or I should rather focus on 2 year MBA’s??
would be really grateful if you could reply me …
thanks
Hi Rahul,
I forgot to ask u about extracurricular activities in my previous comment. U have mentioned somewhere in ur reply that ISB likes well rounded people and u have also written about extracurricular activities. I am neither into things like sports nor into music or any such extracurricular activities… but I have been giving presentations on health-related issues and conducting health camps in villages for an NGO whenever i get time; I visit an old-age home but quite rarely and in my initial years of practice as a duty medical officer I had conducted health camps sponsored by some pharma companies. Can these be counted as extracurricular activities regarding which u have mentioned(since these r the few things other than my work which i have done)… For all these I have Letters of Appreciation from these organizations…. will these suffice?? Looking forward to ur reply….
Thanks and regards
Harish
Thanx a ton Rahul. I have just gone thru the intrductory part of ur blog.R u still with the apollo hospitals.What pay bracket r u in ( if u donot mind sharing it ). R there any good medical consultancy firms? Is it not a better idea to be a consultant? What kind of International placements can u get?
I really appreciate u for the time u devote to this blog which is becoming more popular by the day.Why not have a consultancy or a coaching center for Doctors to get into MBA and for placements thereafter!!!!!
(P.S. My e mail id is aroradrashish@rediffmail.com)
Shikha: You could do a correspondence or evening/weekend MBA while doing a job.
Sandeep: I don’t know much about the opportunities through MAT. I suggest you get in touch with an MBA coaching institute like CL, etc. RMO and private practice is considered to
be work experience while getting a job, etc.
Vikram: The average pay packet from ISB is quite high. But remember this would include variable and incentive pays also. Further, a few of the top students will go away with huge salaries and that pulls the average salary higher. With two years experience I would say you should be happy with a salary between 9 – 12 lakhs (if you do an MBA from ISB). I can’t say whether you would get the same salary range after an online MBA.
Amit & Jyoti: You’re welcome. Best of luck.
Dr. Kamini: Since you’re already doing your MBA from IIPM, you just need to get the finance specialisation do well and then work towards getting a good placement in a finance company. I guess IIPM will have a good campus placement session and you should be able to get yourself a decent job.
Rahul: TISS is one of the best places to do healthcare management course. I’m not 100% sure about the pay package but it should be upward of 5-6 lakhs. I’ve heard FMS has also started a good healthcare MBA course.
Lovely: MBA is a good option for dentists. One of my colleagues in ISB was a dentist and is doing pretty well now. You can choose the branch that you like best.
Nidhi: If you have some specific questions I would be glad to answer them. You generic help question is pretty well answered in my post and the comments.
Nikhil: ISB can definitely help you change your field altogether. What are your job plans while you are doing your CFA? Whether you do a 2 year or a 1 year MBA would depend on your work experience before the MBA.
Harish: These should suffice, but what ISB will look for is your commitment to these issues. Your commitment to such work is an indication of your commitment to other stuff in life too.
hi
thanks for reply i have started with my studies but i am not very sure if my marks are k , i mean some of best people will sit for these exams , so how much does our accademic record count , my marks were in 10th 83% 12th 72.5% , bds 62.5% is it good ENOUGH to apply inISB ?. i was very active in college in everything and i have loads of certificates in extra curricular do they count them also? what should be your min work exp to apply for ISB
Great work mate, really. This has been helpful, indeed. Wish you luck.
Hi Rahul,
First of all let me congratulate you.You are really doing an amazing job answering to the queries of so many people..Hats off to your patience to answer each one in detail.I’m asking for a little suggestion from you.I’m a final year student and will be finishing my 4th year this august.Will be starting my internship probably by the end of august or early September. I would like to know if i’m eligible to enroll for MBA in health care services during my internship via distance education.
Thankin You,waiting for your response
david
hi.. great work dr. rahul !!
once u get into mba , do u have to choose your field of specialization early in the course (op, finance, marketing etc.), or is it a generalized couse initially and only later on u shift to one, depending on ur interest..
also what according to u suits us best considering the medical background or is it just a question of interest !!
thanks.
hi rahul,
this is the most useful blog i have read till date. thanks a lot to you. i have just finished my final year mbbs and am waiting to do my internship. my dads a very famous ENT surgeon, he always wanted me to go for pg in ENT. he has got his own hospital. i have recently developed passion for building a super speciality hospital and managing it putting my dads motto of quality service to patients at a cheaper price at maximum comfort of the doctors. i want to in fact develop a chain of hospitals and polyclinics in the country in the coming years.
1.can you please suggest in this context an MBA/MHA is better.
2.how many years post MHA do you think i have to work to set up my own hospital.
3.do you have any idea about Tata Institute of Social Sciences and how to get into it.
4.do you know any better institutes for MHA. i do not want to waste any time as i have my goals set.
thanks a lot, you have been of great help to many people like me
hello sir, i m nidheesh, a final year student of mbbs
i wanted to ask what is d usual minimum work exp required 4 ISB. i know there is ni written rule about it, but what is the minimum work ex that u come across. i m planning to give mba right after my internship n want to know whether the 1 year work exp (of internship) would be enough 4 dem. also give information(if u hav) whether ISb has stopped considering internship as work ex. also please tell whether u had any other work ex othr than internship n how much
Hi Dr. Rahul. Could u tell me is it worth to do MBA in Hospital administration from manipal university or apollo institute.
Basically i am a biomedical engineer having an experience of 2 years in hospitals. I got a call from both these institutes for MBA
regards
pragati rao
Hii rahul, According to my point , If ou have any work experience in any of the pharma industry, you should go for MBA in clinical research. B’coz Clinical research in india is a booming market. And in this industry doctors are offered directly Manager position if they r having knowledgeof Business administration after M.B.B.S.
Stilll any query, feel free to call me on my cell no. +91-9427020766.
-Dr. Prayag Shah.
Hello
I have taken admission in MBA at banglore university after BAMS.Now I have 3 options:
Finance.
Marketing,
HR.
1.Which field should I opt & why?
2.is there any scope of MBA(finance) for doctors?
3.Is marketing a tough job & requires lot of hard work?
4.Can I get job in health care industry or I have to switch off the industry?
Ashish: There are a lot of consultancy firms in the healthcare sector. It’s a good idea to become a consultant, but you need to be really brilliant to do that… not like me
Lovely: Those marks are better than mine! Yes, the extra-curricular stuff will help. 2 years is the minimum work-ex, you should try for more.
Ramyangshu: Thanks!
David: I don’t think that you can apply for an MBA during your internship. You’re not going to get your degree before you finish your internship and you can’t do an MBA without the degree.
Abhinav: Thanks. Its a general course initially. The specialisation you choose is a matter of your interest.
Chaitanya: 1. I think an MBA is better. Once you’ve grown from being a one hospital business to more you’re not going to be administering one place, rather you are going to be running a business. MHA will only give you the skills to run one hospital, not the skills to manage a business of a larger magnitude.
2. That will depend on how quickly you pick up things but I would say atleast 5 years.
3. TISS is supposed to be good. I’m not sure about the exact admission procedure. You should look up their website.
4. AIIMS also has a good MHA programme. TISS and AIIMS are the only good ones I know of.
Nidheesh: There actually is a minimum requirement of 2 years work experience. It seems that ISB is now only taking doctors with MD or significant (about 5 years) work ex. I’m not sure whether ISB has stopped accepting internship as work ex or not. You can write to them and confirm. I had two years more of work ex – one year as a resident doctor and one year in corporates – Eli Lilly and Max Healthcare.
Pragati: Not sure whether one is better than the other. Have seen the students from Apollo and they are good. Never met anyone from Manipal.
Prayag: If someone’s plan is to stay in clinical research forever then an MBA in clinical research is an excellent idea. But if you want to shift at a later date it will be difficult if your specialisation is so narrow.
Sandeep: 1. You should choose the field you are most comfortable with.
2. Yes there is scope. You could join an investment bank or PE fund focussing on healthcare. You might also get a finance role in a pharma company or a hospital chain.
3. Each field has its tough points and will require hard work. Even HR and finance can be tough.
4. You can definitely get a job in the healthcare industry, but you have the option of switching also.
hi rahul… i m an intern in govt medical college amritsar punjab, jus finished my mbbs …
my friend who is an intern with me wants to join mba hospital administration in usa n persue her career in united states.. plz can u guide us n provide some valuable information regarding career oppurtunities in united states after doing mba hospital managment,,,,
hi dr.rahul.
i am looking for a better carrer in usa. do u think tat doing mba is better than mph in usa. do they requirework experience 4 m.b.a.
after m.b.b.s we dont have expeience in any field. i am still doing my internship.
Hello sir
you have done an excellent job by putting up such a great article and even better that you have been actively replying people….
not gonna ask you the usual stuff….
just wanna congrats you for helping all…..
Hello.
I am mbbs doc from delhi. I am doing mba from iipm.
Do u think phrama / healthcare company pays less than the IT comapnies?
i am doing mba finance.
Karan: I haven’t done much research on the US job market for doctors with MBA. But I don’t see any reason why the job opportunities written above in my should not be available in the US too.
Harneet: Again as I said I don’t know much about the US market. Both MBA and MPH have their opportunities. However, remember that after an MPH you will be in the healthcare sector only, while an MBA can give you wider scope. Some schools in the US do not need work experience but most of the better ones do. Even work experience as a doctor is considered good.
Cyneuron: Thanks!
Vikram: I feel the pay scales in the pharma/healthcare sector are lower. However, with the recent slowdown in the economy, this disparity might soon go away.
hi sir
i am dental surgeon by professional and i want to join tiss or ihmr for mha, plz suggest which is a gud college.
regards
sahil
hello guys im final yr mbbs student,i was interested in engineerin but ws pushed in mbbs.even tho i pass with 65% i m totally disinterested..i lyk maths so suggest me a mba course subject which suits ma interest..pls do reply ma id is vinoo_t2001@yahoo.com
thanks 4 reply rahul,
I joined OBC 4 summer training,they gave me project on credit risk rating of SME,.Afterthat my finance specilization will start.my faculty says that being a doctor ur career is good in marketing.u can make more money.iipm will give me dual sp.in finance & mrkting.bt i am interested in finance.tell me the route,that i can make money through finance field.i am a hardworking humenbeing.& tell me in finance sp.what should i focus.
dr.kamini
Sahil: TISS is definitely a good college. What is IHMR? Never heard much about that one.
Vinod: What exactly is your interest? Maths is not an interest that should make you take up MBA!
Dr. Kamini: You can make money in both fields. Any decent company should give you a well paying job after the finance specialisation. If you’re already specialising in finance I don’t think there is any further focus that you need.
do isb ppl take into account the medical coll u grad frm ? Will dey gve prefnce to a guy frm aiims evn if a guy frm nt so knwn med coll scores same as the aiims’s guy! Plz do rpl!
one mre ques sir!
After my mbbs i want to do mba in a field entirely difrnt frm medical! Like finance,banking nd mrktng! So cn u plz tel hw wud b d prospects? Plz do rpl sir !
Regards
Manav
sir i also wanna tel u dat im jst abt to enter into first yr of cmc ludhiana! Since one thn is sure dat aftr mbbs i’l do mba so incase if prospects in d abve mentnd fields rnt gud aftr mbbs so shud i go fr law(cnt go fr b.tech as i dnt hav maths)! Sir plz do rpl as my whle lfe depends on it!
hello dr. rahul..
I wud like to know about the internship related query from u …
I am a housie , will be finishing this december .. For the past six months i have been working in a corporate hospital . will this be counted as experience???
2) As i said i am working in a corporate hosp., and i have also been working in other corporate hosp for the past 2 months (as u r aware that a doctor can work on alternate days in one hospital ).,on odd dates in hospital one ., and on even dates hospital number 2…, and there is a overlapping of my work in two hospitals for these two months ..so my other question is tthat ., will this overlapping period is considered seperately ????
thanx in advance . awaiting ur reply.. bye take care.
Hi Rahul,
I loved going through your write-up and more importantly the comments and discussion below that.
I run a successful small-sized medical transcription business. Prior to that I was working as a doctor in the Indian Railways. I have been always interested in technology (and have even gone ahead and written few articles for a leading computer magazine). I have often toyed with the idea of an MBA – for the sole purpose of broadening my horizons, business, and for the sake of studying per se. I hope you can take out some time and coax or discourage me into it plus some suggestions.
Regards,
hi rahul,
i m a 6th sem student in gmc mumbai. i nevr wantd to bekome a doc. i ws forced into it by my parents. now its sucking. i hd always loved maths n physics. m thinking of doing mba after completing mbbs. u sed d one year xperience durin internship counts. do i need to take a job before applying for n mba entrance exam. cant i do d preparations during intrnshp n appear for n exam as soon as i get my mbbs degree.i am good at maths, n at iim dey dont ask for experience, isn it.
n wht chance do i stnd- i hav X-89% XII- 83%, 74% in frst n secnd years. wht kind of extra curricular certificates r helpful.
i dont want to work before getting into mba.will d two year MOship b counted as n experience, if i wnt to join isb
n suppose i do complete my mb a after mbbs. will i defenitely get a job. n how much will i be paid. will i be able to earn so much as my doc frns do, say 10 years frm now.
Thnx DR. Rahul, bt can u short list some good health / hospital management schools, as u said tiss…
i took mat feb08 n scored 99.16%ile but not of ny use, my internship will be over in oct…..as i am a dentist so plz suggest accordingly..what will b good 4 me …m too confused…m preparing for cat n tiss but cant decide what is good 4 me.
regards
sahil
thank u dr. rahul
i want 2 know that corporate hospital,pharma mncs will prefer my finance specilization with good packages?if yes,then how to prepare myself 4 it?.if not, where should i look for?
otherfriends can send me nice advice on drkaushal2002@yahoo.com
drkamini
after mbbs is it better to do mba from xlri?i want to know about xat and xlri. plz tell me how to score well in xat or plz infrom me if there is any guideline.
Hello Dr. Rahul,
I am Dental Surgeon with established Clinic and I have also completed MBA (Finance & Marketing), now I am looking to get into some health care sector or any other sector where I would fit better to make use of my MBA. Could you let me know the placements which would help me get a job which I require also if I have to do some computer course to improve my skills.
You can reply at the below email ID
kavithasanjeevalu@yahoo.co.in
Thanks in advance, await your reply.
Bye
Kavitha
lookimg for ur reply sir!
Hi Dr. Rahul
I am an intern and have decided to go for mba…and will be going for it this year only………
As it is clear that my internship is gonna be my only experience(if they consider it so)..I just wanted to ask you..
As far as isb is concerned, is it mandatory to have a work ex?what if i apply for isb with this internship experience only?do i stand a chance if i have got extremely good score in gmat?if yes, what min score do you think will do?
and for in 1 of the above queries you replied that if 1 one has 2 years of work ex. then he is likely to be paid much more than 1 having none….now what if i go for mba right now without work ex. and then after working as an mba for 2 years, will my standing be equal to the 1 with earlier 2 year ex. as a doc??
thanks in advance
sandeep
Hi Dr Rahul,
I am a paediatrician planning to do MSc in healthcare management from UK. I have an offer from Imperial college london for the same. Also got an MBA offer from Lancaster and Nottingham university. Have to decide soon amongst the three institutes. Could you please tell me if a degree from any of these institues will give me an advantage in getting a good job in healthcare sector in India.
Regards
Renu
Hello doctor, u seem to be the most appropriate to answer me:What is the scope of this combination:
BAMS+MBA(Finance-pursuing)+MBA(Hospt mgt-distance education)+clinical reasearch course(pursuing).I want to join health industry.What type of job can I get at what post & pay scale.
Please answer me ASAP.I am waiting for your answer………….
Hi rahul . Does ISB has mba in healthcare specialisation?
I am a doc with 2 yrs work ex, Do u think i should go fo dual mba or take only one field mba finance or marketing.
wht r ur views on dual mba?
is there any bond in mba jobs , like minimum work for 1 or 2 yrs?
hi Dr Rahul,
UR doing absolutely remarkable job!!! i am going thrugh this block for long n i even give the link to needy.
i am doctor in ayurveda and now i am pursuing MBA(finance)(3rd sem)from IBS, Hyderabad.
ONE QUESTION: I expect one question for sure during the placement time” why i have spent 5 & 1/2 years and then completely diverted the mind to this MBA stream”.
I am targeting the banking sector for the placement n I have taken two banking subjects in this sem for this reason . I dont want to re-enter is the medical stream.As U will be familiar about the scpoe for the ayurveda doc is limited mostly to the rural area and even the growth prospect is less, I have diverted myself to the MBA stream.
QUESTION:But the point is that how to frame a answer that is more of placement friendly?How to go for this question?
regards
Dr Varun Dalal
Manav: Your college will play a role in the selection. Prospects will be good and will depend on the college that you do MBA from and how you perform in the MBA course. Your choice or MBA/Law/etc. depends on your interests.
Dr. Mahesh: Yes, work ex in a corporate hospital will be counted. You obviously can’t count this work experience as 4 months! You can mention both things as work ex in your resume but I guess it would be counted as part-time work ex.
John: I think with your experience and the fact that you are running a medical transcription biz, an MBA is a natural and obvious choice. You are correct in saying that it will broaden your horizons and definitely help you in your business.
Mona: You can definitely study during internship and prepare for CAT/XAT/etc. But ISB will be out of the question till you don’t get work experience. If by MOship you mean working as a resident after internship it will definitely be counted as work ex. Remember though that for the past two years ISB has not taken any doctors who have not done some post-graduation. You should get a job, depending on the college you do your MBA from.
Sahil: TISS is good, AIIMS also has a hospital admin course, FMS has started a healthcare MBA. You need to finally decide what you want to do – MBA or MHA. All I can tell you is that the scope after an MBA is much broader than MHA.
Dr. Kamini: With an MBA finance why do you want to restrict yourself to hospitals or pharma cos? You will have many more options also. I’m pretty sure pharma cos will have finance jobs for you, can’t say the same for hospitals though but if you search hard enough you should find one.
Swati: For XAT or CAT I suggest you contact a coaching institute like CL, IMS, etc.
Dr. Kavitha: You need to search for a job and send your resume across to the companies/hospitals you like. That’s the only way to find a job. If you know basic computers (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) you should be OK.
Sandeep: I don’t think you stand a chance at ISB without work experience. As I said in a comment earlier, they have not taken a doctor without MD/MS for the past two years, so a doc with only internship is a very bleak chance according to me. No harm trying though if you score above 750. Your pay 2 years after MBA might be equal or more, depends on how you perform in the company.
Renu: I’ve personally never heard of these places, but I’m sure they should carry some weight. If you can get a job in the UK for a couple of years before coming back to India, that’ll be awesome.
Sandeep: You seem to be doing everything! With all those qualifications you can get pretty much any job you want in healthcare!!! You need to decide what you like most and be able to convince your prospective employer that you are focussed on one thing.
Vikram: No, ISB does not have a healthcare specialisation. Dual MBA is also a good choice. You can go in for that too.
Dr. Varun: Even I’m not sure of a good answer to this. Actually never thought about it too much since I wanted to stay in the healthcare sector only. However, I think you need to be honest about the whole thing. Anyone who asks me, I usually tell them its because I never liked clinical practice too much, and that’s the truth. However your mileage may vary with this answer.
Hi Rahul,
I have a query regarding the salaries post ISB. Last week I attended an information session conducted by the Manager of Admissions, ISB. We were told that there is a huge jump in salaries post ISB. Could u clarify whether this jump is in relation to our pre-ISB salaries or some other criteria. Say for eg. if it is based on our pre-ISB salaries, me being a private practitioner could quote a higher monthly income or if someone is working in some company, he could claim that he was paid higher than what was actually paid. In this respect how the base salary is considered during placements?
I have one more information, since I had followed this blog for quite sometime, I got to know that the common question among bloggers here is that will the internship(housemanship) be considered as experience. I asked the same question there at the ISB info session and the answer was an absolute NO. They told that since the last year they have stopped considering intership post MBBS as experience and a minimum of 2 years of experience is a MUST….
Anyways, expecting ur reply for my query…
Regards,
Vikram
Hi Rahul !!! its really very pleasing to find a person taking pains to answer query of others
I would like to tel you more about myself so that you can answer my questions.
I a medical graduate ‘07 from maulana azad medical college . I am 23 ears old (a plus point)
My marks over my academic career have been X-92,XII- 82, MBBS – 61.
I have decent extra- curricular at both school and college levels, which includes working for rotary foundation ,
I have given my gmat this year and got 720 QA-50 VA -39 AWA – 4.5
as regards to my work ex ( my weakest point) i have one year of internship and then six months of experince as a junior resident.
Now the questions :-
1. Should i apply this year to ISB?
2. Can a 720 in Gmat help me get through a top 25 b-school’in the world,regards of the work experince?
3. If i do a MBA from US from a school with my current profile which has a world ranking of 30 to 40 (Financial Times) would i need to do another MBA after 5 to 6 Years ?
4. Lastly it would be great if you could suggest some companies were i could get relevant work ex as i want to do something which would help me in getting through a top 20 b-school and also in placement after i graduate.
Thanx
hi!rahul…i have done my mbbs from nair hospital,mumbai…i ranked 137 in state for pre-medical entrance in 1999…i passed out my mbbs in 2003..my mbbs score was 67%…i gave my pre-pg state entrance in 2006 and got DPH(Diploma in Public health)..i have just given my pg university exam and waiting for my results.i have done my pg also from nair hospital…i am now planning to enroll myself for MBA-HR and MHA in ICFAI University,Tripura(Hyderabad based).. i intend to get into a corporate hospital…i am not giving CAT/GMAT as i am a postgraduate doctor and dont want to give any more entrance exams…am i on the right path?is ICFAI a decent university…
hi dr. rahul i have copleted bams and seeking for permanant and secured job. i mean i m confused wheather i wanna to join a job or should i want to go for any pg courses or mba or don.t knw. but one thing is clear that i don,t want to practice. i m a average guy and if decided for mba or somethin will be on clearly educational loan. i think after copletin such programs my 5 to 10 yrs will be wasted in refunding. at present i m 26 yrs then how i can overcome through this crises plz guide me i m confused since a long back. i m very thakful that i got such side. i hope u will ans me as early as possible a m waiting for yr mail as a CHATAK
Vikram: The base salary considered would be the one that you report. I don’t see any advantage in any applicant reporting a salary higher than they are earning since that would be of no use. When I got admitted they accepted internship as experience. Anyways, I have written to them for a clarification regarding this. I will update the post once I get some more info.
Prateet: 1. I don’t think you should apply to ISB right now.
2. With so little work experience (most international schools will not accept internship as experience) it might be difficult getting into a top 25 school.
3. I don’t think you would need another MBA, but I feel your learning at a b-school will be much better if you join after getting more work experience.
4. You can take up a job in a corporate hospital, pharma company, clinical trial organisation or even work as a doctor.
Dr. Dipti: ICFAI is a decent university. But from what I understand, they have many different colleges. I am pretty sure some colleges amongst these are better than others. You might want to find out which colleges in ICFAI are better and try for those. Also, why are you choosing HR as well as MHA. Is there a specific reason for that?
Anant: Unfortunately, the cost of education at a place like ISB is definitely going to be high and there is no option other than taking an educational loan. (You can try for a scholarship but they will also not cover all the cost.) However, if you graduate from ISB your salary (even if you get the lowest possible) will definitely be enough to cover repayment of the loan and let you live comfortably. Other b-schools in India are not as expensive and I’m pretty sure your job after those will also let you repay the loans easily.
Hello Rahul this is bharath here. I thank u for devoting u r time to answer our queries. I completed my internshhip in Oct 2007. Worked for HAL hospital, first aid center for 2 months.Gave my CAT in 2007, got 91 and odd percentile, got a call from Tapmi but could not convert it. Honestly i had prepared for only 2 months for CAT and a day effectively for GD, so no regrets. At present i am working for MARLABS, KPO as an ABSTRACTOR regarding US health insurance. Getting 30+ salary. Working in MARLABS from Jan 15 2008. I am planning to take GMAT in August and then apply for ISB. Will it be adequate to take the test in August. Can I show the work experience in HAL hospital for 2 months, wondering if it is a demerit to work for only 2 months. Kindly reply. Sorry for the trouble.
Dear Dr.Drs\.Rahul,
Hi.I am final year medical student .I found all the posts on this forum very helpful. I am extremely confused about what to do after my MBBS.Please take out some to time to read my slightly long message and give your advise.
My inclination towards is MBA is due to:-
1.Don t like all the mindless cramming associated with medicine , means like I have a green card and with some effort good chance of securing a residency in US which would mean about $50k salary for 5 yrs but after that most prob$150-200K / year with a relatively easy lifestyle.But Not sure if I can push myself for 5 more years since wat I ve observed about myself that I tend to grasp things very quickly but memory very volatile and you know how important retaining facts in medicine are.
2.5 star work environment compared to a hospital
3.My non-med friends from school from whom I was miles ahead academically in school etc getting extremely attractive job packages without putting in much hard work, so one definite reason to do MBA is for the good pay packages if done from a good institute
4.I like the glamorous corporate lifestyle of traveling and trendy living
5.Even engineers etc totally leave their field of study and still successful in investment banking etc.so why can t we
My apprehensions about MBA are:-
1.It is too general ie any person can do the 2 yr course and I won t be having any edge over a person who is able to sell himself in the market even though I might be better
2.Do I have the aptitude for it?(I am a bit introverted person not too much but not very out going,so not sure if have the personality for an MBA. My English is pretty strong since I read a lot- Scored 30/30 in reading,listening,writing but 26/30 in speaking section of toefl(in case if you have any idea about the test),mental ability pretty good(cleared NTSE in 10th with highest in mental ability in my city),But totally out of touch wid maths since 10th
3.Academic scores 10th-93.6% 12th- 80% MBBS- 56%(too low for admission in a good institute),plus not many extra curriculars after 10th(you know how med colleges are)
4.Have not much idea about scope of MBA(means like I m not much into marketing since not very creative or imaginative)
5.Job satisfaction and demand in the market after a couple of years and opportunities to rise up the ladder?
6.Too stressful and non-settled life of a corporate?
Please use your experience of MBA after MBBS and advise me .There s no need for an immediate reply so plz go through the mail carefully and reply at your ease after analyzing my situation. I ‘ll extremely grateful for thoughts and suggestions.
Yours sincerely,
Saurabh Sharma.
thanks a lot for ans.ng me. i knw i m asking a very fool que. but plz give d details of b-school and isb. i m at ahmednagar-pune so which is nearest b-shcool for me.
hi!thanks for the reply;but my doubts are:
-how is my qualification MBBS,DPH,MBA-HR and MHA goin to help me get in to a corporate hospital and with wat salary?
-i am 27 now and hve a 4 yr. old kid and so planning to do a flexi-mode MBA from ICFAI…wel the MHA is only correspondence so tat is not an issue …am lookin forward more for the MBA program
-i thought a combination of Public health,MBA-HR and MHA wud b a good combination…cud u plz give me guidance on this..
-the reason i dont now want to give an entrance was tat it took me a lot of pains studyin for my pre-pg entrance with an infant..and also the final certificate from ICFAI does not mention if it is a full-time or part-time MBA…
-I AM PLANNIN TO DO MBA from ICFAI University,tripura…is it good?if not do u know of colleges from ICFAI which r good…
-cud u plz tel me the difference between ISB and ICFAI Business School(IBS) or they r the same?
-does it really matter the institute from where u do ur MBA for a post-graduate doctor..
-wat is the difference between a part-time n flexi-mode MBA program or they r the same..
rahul sorry to bug u with so many questions…u r doin a fantastic job!
HI! rahul thnks for ur reply but i hve a few doubts;
-the reason i am doin MBA-HR and MHA is tat i think it wud b a good combination with public health…wel MHA is correspondence so tat is not an issue …i am concentratin more on MBA..
-also i hve a 4 yr. old kid .i am 27 now…and had a hard time givin my pre-pg entrance with an infant n so am plannin to take up a flexi-mode MBA-HR from ICFAI University…also the advantage is the university does not mention in the final certification if it is a ful-time or part-time MBA
-how do u think is the qualification of MBBS,DPH(4rm TNMC,NAIR Hospital,mumbai) n MBA,MHA(4rm ICFAI University) for a placement in corporate hospital n wat do u think wud b my salary…wil my 2 yrs. hospital experience of residency in Public health b considered…hve also presented papers in IAPSM conference…
-since dont hve much knowledge abt management cud u help me wid good colleges of ICFAI…WEL THE MAIN OFFICE AT NARIMAN POINT,mumbai says ICFAI University,Tripura …is it good
-how different is ISB from ICFAI Business school(IBS) or they r same..
r students from IBS,Hyderabad also sponsored by ICFAI University,Tripura?IBS ranks 10th in India in b-schools n base is ICFAI..AM CONFUSED BETWEEN this IBS,ISB n ICFAI University.
-the course material is the same for full time n part-time mba n also the certificate does not mention(in ICFAI)…IS PART-TIME MBA SAME AS FLEXI-MODE?
-IF U THINK I SHD SPECIALISE IN SOME OTHER MBA ,N NOT HR PLZ LET ME KNOW…
THNKS rahul…u r doin a fantastic job!
SORRY rahul for almost the same thing being printed twice…actualy i thought the earlier mail did not reach u..but plz go thru both…hve a few xtra questions in the 2nd mail…plz cud u reply soon…n one more thing cud u tel me 4rm wer hve u done ur MBBS n wat pg had u pursued…if u dont mind!
hi rahul,
u r cool.
I am MBBS, MD (AIIMS), GMAT score 760.
I planning for NUS/ISB/Duke.
out of Singapore, USA and India , which country offers the best opportunity for a MBA+doctor, provided u do mba from top school of that country.
I am confused between these countries.
US is in recession, India is still developing- low lifestyle, low salaries. Singapore is ok, ?? what about Hongkong, do u have any information, thanks a lot
Dear John,
Can u guide me regarding medical transcription. My email id is aloksobti2001@yahoo.com. I am MBBS, PGDBA(HRM) doing LLb. Hope for a reply.
Dr. Bharath: I think you have too little work experience to apply to ISB right now. They don’t consider internship as work experience any more. I think you need to work for some more time before applying to ISB.
Saurabh: Lets take this point-by-point:
Inclination points:
1. MBA is not going to have any cramming definitely. If you go abroad, then medicine might still be a good option as they pay well.
2. The work environment depends on the company you join. Its not necessary that every company will have a 5 star work environment. And what if you end up working in a hospital??!!
3. I think there is hard work required even for MBAs.
4. That is probably the worst expectation from a corporate job. Its not all glamorous and trendy!!!
5. We definitely can.
Apprehension points:
1. If you move out of healthcare you don’t have an edge. Otherwise you do.
2. The aptitude you need is an aptitude for business and management. Don’t look at the exams too much.
3. Academic scores are pretty decent. You might need to work on the extra-curriculars.
4. I’ve outlined the various options in the healthcare sector above in my post.
5. Job satisfaction depends on what you take up and whether you take it up after researching it well. Lots of people take up jobs because of great salaries but then don’t like the jobs.
6. Stress will definitely be there… Its possible to settle down into a good job.
Anant: You can find out more about ISB at http://www.isb.edu. Symbiosis in Pune is a good college. But why do you look at colleges near you only??
Dr. Dipti: 1. That depends on what you want to do in a hospital – HR or hospital admin?
2. I think you are doing too many things – you need to focus yourself.
3. I really don’t know whether ICFAI Tripura is good or not.
4. ISB and IBS are two different colleges.
5. The start you get after the MBA will definitely depend on the school you go to.
6. I’m not sure about the differences between part-time and flexi-mode… i’m hearing about flexi-mode for the first time.
I did my MBBS from UCMS, Delhi and I have not done any PG.
Saket: Healthcare is good in every country. I am not too much of a fan of the US right now, but India and Singapore are great. Haven’t heard too much about Hong Kong healthcare…
Hi Rahul,
I am an Economics grad. Have work ex of 2 yrs+.
I have 2 questions.
1) Eligibility to apply is 2 yrs in ISB, do they really consider pple who have work exp of exact 2 yrs? Because i have read that pple with managerial exp and of atleast 3-4 yrs are preferred.?
2) Regarding letter of Reco, One has to get the comprehensive letter made, or its a part of application that one needs to get filled by the boss?
Awaiting reply..
thanks
hello sir,,,, ima final yearmedico..iwont bug u with the routine questions… as i got most of my queries cleard by reading the whole website…. i just want to ask u these things…..
im looking for careers in the futuremedical setup…imalil fascinated about mba tooo… i have in my mind mha tooo..my goal in life is to build a hospital and do a lil social work for the poor and needy which gives me more satisfaction…. and i have seen u saying about the experience aspect for isb… i have intrests in paediatrics pg..but it takes sometimeto get thru the entrance and get a seat in bangalore….how about mba or mha for my career intrests or do u suggest me doing peads pg and then mba or mha…. what entrances shud v write for mha….willother b schools look at the xperience like the isb… pls just give a lineof answer… i wont like to bug u much either as me myself amin a dilemma… will be waiting sir.. bye:)
Hi Rahul,
Next week I am taking up my GMAT, meanwhile I have not yet decided on any B-schools other than ISB and IIM-A to send my GMAT scores and since my final preps for GMAT r going on, I dont have time to research on any foreign B-schools… Just for the sake of reporting the scores (since i can opt to send the scores for 5 B-schools while taking GMAT at no cost), could u let me know 3-4 B-schools including foreign B-schools…? Once i finish my GMAT, i am planning to do research on various schools and if it happens to be the same as I have opted during GMAT for reporting, then I would be saving some money… Could u let me know regarding this please??
Hi Sir,i have done BHMS from pune, n now im doing MBA in hospital and management,pune TMV university.doing internship in RUBY hall clinic,my project is in diagnotic center, n also having one case study in medical tourism.i just want to know is there any course in medical tourism, n plz guide for my project.thanks a lot
it was great to know that you are from ucms. you are doing a great job ,guiding all the medicos who want to go for MBA. i have completed my MBBS from UCMS and currently doing internship. i will be appearing for CAT this year. you know how tough it is to score in ucms , i have only 58% in mbbs. many institute give weightage to your academics. how much it will matter for a good B school or IIM.
i also wanted to know what other thing they look for. does gap year before entering into mbbs matter.
finally you will be delighted to know that many UCites are going for MBA now . i wanted to know from which batch you really were in UCMS.
Dear Rahul,
Thanks for answering my previous Qs. A quick question again. I am now 29 and work exp of 7 years by the time the 2009-10 batch is admitted.have joined Kaplan 2 wks back. Have yet to give GMAT.If I apply it shall be for round 2. Not prepared that well. How many hrs of study required for an average student given that I have barely 3 m in hand? Should I go ahead and apply this year with a score of 650-700 or should i wait and practise and apply with a better score next year? Will my age and experience at that point of time (30, 8yrs) go against my application as at ISB the avg age is 27-28 and work ex is 5yrs?
Dear Dr.Rahul,
Thanks a lot for your detailed reply.Just a couple of questions:-
1.Can you plz tell wat type of work ex you had before applying for ISB?
2.Wat is your current job profile like(plz explain in layman language)
3.Wat is your pay package like(Plz answer only if you feel it’s not too personal!:-))
Kaustubhi: 1. They are going to compare your application with other people with the same background. If the others are way better, they get selected. It seems that these days most applicants have 3-4 years of experience (the average these days is 5 years). So you’re better off applying when you have more experience. However, remember that work experience is not the only thing that counts. If you have great academics or great extra-curricular on your resume you can cover up for the less work-experience.
Shreshta: The question you need to ask is whether you want to help people by being a doctor or by building and running a hospital? If its the first thing then go for your PG, else for an MBA. I’m not sure about what is the entrance process for MHA. Go to the college’s website and you should be able to figure it out. Most colleges will prefer work-experience for MBA. Hope this helps.
Vikram: First question – why are you sending GMAT scores to IIM-A? As far as I know they want CAT scores not GMAT. There are so many b-schools in the world that picking 5 off the top is very difficult. Your choice will need to depend on what you want to do in your career, what work-experience you have, which part of the world you want to study in, etc. The best advise I can give you for this is to get hold of a copy of some ranking. Pick some b-schools from the middle of the bunch – something between 20-50 probably. They should be a safe bet.
Dr. Archana: I’ve not heard of any course in medical tourism yet. I would be happy to help you with your project.
Amit: If it helps I had 59% in my MBBS! Academics will matter in b-schools. But they will also look at other stuff like work-experience and extra-curricular stuff. If you can explain what you did in your gap year and they are satsified with it, it should be OK. I joined UCMS in 1998.
Jyoti: Your age and experience are a PLUS while applying for ISB! If you get a score above 690-700 you should apply. I think 3 months should be enough time to prepare – you might need to put in 3-4 hours of study a day if you are not that good at the english and maths. Take a few mock tests and you should figure out how much you need to study. Start working on your essays and recos side-by-side so that you can crash time.
Saurabh: 1. I worked as an intern in marketing in 2 companies – Eli Lilly & Max Healthcare.
2. I look after the administrative stuff at the hospital – basically patient services.
3. Its pretty good is all I’ll say.
thank u somuch sir for replying… actually i wanna build hospitaland then serve the needy… allthe are in my late 30s..nothing very immediate after my studies….for experience in mba… where can we work post mbbs for 2 yrs.. like in which fieldhospitals research or any suggestions sir please… sir after writing the entrance test…willdoctors be compared with other doctors score… or in general with every one… howmany hosp management seats does a verygood b school have
sir hope u saw the news that rural posting to do pg medicine is a must does that hold good for doing mba also… do they consider mba as a post graduate course…
Hi Rahul,
Good work. I am working in UK as a paediatrician with good pay but wants to do MBA as a career change. I will be applying for International B School next year. Please tell me is it worth to do MBA from ISB if I do not get admission in good international B schools. My age is 34. Is age a hindrance in Indian B schools.
Shreshta: You can work as a doctor also for the 2 years MBA or take up a job in some company – like insurance, pharma, etc. In ISB atleast doctors will be compared with other doctors, not other people. Most b-schools will not have any hospital management seats though some b-schools, like FMS, etc. have recently started hospital management courses. In that news article I think they meant medical PG courses and not MBA and stuff.
Vinod: It will be a good idea to come to ISB. In ISB age will not be a hindrance. Actually there is a paediatrician from the UK who has just joined ISB! I think his profile is similar to yours.
Hello sir, I am currently doing MBA from Symbiosis Institute of Business Management (SIBM). There are 3 doctors in our batch, our summer placements procedures will start in sept-oct. Can you provide me any contacts of a HR personal so that we can invite Apollo Healthcare on campus for summers or may be for final placements. Please help.. my email id is dramol.z@gmail.com
Looking forward for your positive reply.. Thank you.
this rural posting clause is the most ridiculous thing i have heard in recent times….
on one hand one year rural must to do pg….and on other just look at stipend….10,000….i mean what do they think a doctor is….do they think a doctor is equivalent to a clerk….
i mean what does the damn govt want….do they want all medicos to opt for suicide as well…..
this will really make all 12th passouts to opt out from medical field….
(which btw is already happening…u must be knowing there was like some 40 % decrease in no of students giving Delhi Pre medical exam this year….definitely top grade students are going to refrain from this medical field…..biology class sections in schools are shrinking beyond imaginations….had recently talked to my biology teacher…..)
but not to worry much on other hand…this clause will not be passed at any condition….going to face same stiff opposition as the previous one….this isn’t china….govt. can’t frame a policy without agreement of people involved….
and the rural clause is surely only for people opting pg in clinical branch (you must have noticed anatomy, biochemistry and one more branch is out of this clause….) so there is no way mba or any other non-medical field comes under its purview…
so don’t worry brothers and sisters….
start preparing to leave the medical field….because thats what our govt. wants from us by even thinking of such rubbish policies…..
Hi Rahul,
kudos for all this gr8 work!!
i completed my mbbs in 2004 from India with all india rank of 103, worked in UK for last 4 years and now doing int. meds residency at new york city for last 2 months with H1b visa….I have future plans to settle in India and after much thought for last 7-8 months, finally came to the conclusion that i have lost the charm to continue in clinical medicine and MBA definitely seems to be my cup of tea……
if I continue the medicine, it will take another 3 years to complete the residency and i have to pursue a further 3 years of fellowship(which r again difficult to get in to), if i wish to come back to India as only residency won’t suffice…thats total of further 6 years in comparison of 1 or 2 years of MBA with the added advantage of early settlement in ur preferred field although with less financial perks..
my question is if i try to get admission in one of the top 10 US/UK business schools like wharton or LBS (although quite difficult), what will be the chances of getting a quick post in Indian Healthcare Management and how much the annual package can be….i don’t have much experience of managerial/administrative work prior to that…and if i wish to completely switch over to finances or marketing in non healthcare fields, will that be possible.
thanks again for ur help. please continue all ur wonderful work…
hi , iam passed mbbs final year part ii recently, now iam interne:,But iam not interested to continue in this field ,: i have interest in soft ware , finance management, ::please give me any suggetions:: NOW what can i do;
hello rahul,
1st i’d like to thank u for d wonderful job ur doin..’m a bds grad..its been 4 months ive completed n was preparin for mds entrance these days.(but was doin tat since i thot theres no way out) but after seein ur blog i feel inspired.
1. in ur earlier reply u’ve mentioned that only medicos wth pg were selected in a particular batch..now ths puts me in dilemma whether i shud go 4 my pg or find a relevant job..
2. i was also researchin abt mph as an option after bds.i kno it has no scope in india.. but will tat carry value for my mba pursuit as a pg degree?
3.and rahul i saw dr.arun kothar’s scrap sayin he’s done his mph in u.k.. can i ve his mail id.. so that i can learn more abt it frm him?
pls help..thanks in advance.
hi rahul,can u plz enlighten me about what your job is exactly like ?what do u have to do exactly?because i want to know about the job before doing mba.and also tell me which job will suit me as i want to do something which will keep me related me to the medical side.plz plz plz reply.
what is your operations job like?and also tell me about discovery project management and evaluation and licensing.it hears like it will suit me.
Hi Rahul, Thanks for your valuable advices. plz tell me how to do mba on human resources from xlri. i m doing intern in mbbs. plz suggest me. i m really confused now.
Hi Rahul! I am a dentist. I have been working on and off for 2 years in dental clinics and hospitals as a dental surgeon, i have no experience of working as an administrator in a hospital set up. I want to do MBA in hospital management from a good institute. Which are the 5 best institutes for MHM / MHA? Do IIMs offer MHA? Please guide me how to go bout preparing for CAT, GMAT and which are the good coaching institues for its prepration in Delhi? What are the career options after doing an MBA? Do i require to have a 2 years experience of working on an administrative post in a hospital before appearing for CAT/ MAT? Will be eagerly look forward to ur reply! Thanks a jar..
hi rahul,this is d continuation of my previous querry.
1.work experience or a pg degree- which one will ve more weightage to enter a b school.
2.if i choose to do mph will it have d same value as mds as far as enterin a b-scool is concerned?
3. if i choose to work then, workin as a dentist or working in corporate sector -which’s more advisable to enter a b-school..
and having decided to switch over to another field i think its hight time i decide the right kind of job.. but still i wish to gain work exp in clinicals rather than in corp sector.cos i feel, that after 2 or 3 yrs of exp, it would still keep my option of settin up a clinic open.. i may sound littl pessimistic but i cant avoid thinkin ths way..since i still ve opposition from my own family to change my field.. pls help.. anticipating ur reply.
Hello Rahul Sir,
Heard about this website from a friend. I did my UG from UCMS,Delhi and nowdoing internship from GTB Hospital. I also heard that U r from same college. I want ur advise on same matter as everybody else.
Initially when I entered MBBS I was pretty sure of becoming a doctor, even when my internship started I was on same track but as i m doing my internship I m getting more diverted away from this field. Until now I was preparing for my PG entrance though not seriously. But now I have not been able to study becoz of this confusion.
All these odd hours of working, all this mental stress, getting humiliated from seniors(cant blame them its the stress of the field), working on holidays even gazetted ones, studying so hard, getting no respect (even the patients getting treated for free there thinks us to be their slaves), working in a dirty environment, fighting every month for duty rosters,.. are some of my reasons for this diversion
To whomsoever seniors I have talked are not satisfied with their jobs. According to them Earning mere 35,000 after approx 10 yr of study is not good enough for a SR. They say u will be blank again after 3 yr of PG as u r now, as what to do next.
But the problem with me is that i m a bit afraid to change to MBA as I don’t know anything about this field except that u get a good package. To be frank I want to do MBA just becoz i dont wanna do PG as I think it to be very stressful. This may be not a good reason enough but this is the only reason for me.
My parents are also not happy with this decision of mine going towards MBA as they always thought of me becoming a doctor, but they say do whatever u want but be sure of what u r doing.
I m not a very brilliant student as though….my marks are like Xth- 69% aggregate….Maths-88%, XIIth-74% aggregate….Maths-74% and then a 2 yr gap before getting into DPMT and then MBBS – 53% including supple in all4 subjects of 2nd Proff.
And I not sure of GDPI that how I would be performing in them….
Considering all the details I have given u…..
1…..Most imp question…Is it worth to take such a major shift of carrier
2….what chances do u think of me getting successful into CAT for which I am planning..
3….which is more tougher to get into CAT or PG entrance according to u?
Plz help me out sir….this post is as confused as I m now……..!!!!!!
hi Dr. Rahul
first let me tell you its really nice on your part to give guidance to everyone.
i am a physiotherapist and have finished my post graduate diploma in rehabilitation a year back.i am interested in doing MBA from ISB. are physiotherapists given the same medical status as MBBS while applying?
i do not have any corporate experience.i am working in a rehabilitation centre since the last one year. will this back ground be sufficient for me to apply in ISB
Hi All,
I’m sorry I’ve been quite busy this week. I will only be able to reply to all the comments over the coming weekend. Thanks for your patience.
Rahul
hi rahul.. u r doing a gr8 work..i m presently doing my internship.. i m partial colour blind for red n green.. does partial colourblindness makes me ineligible for pg? can u advice me a good counseller regarding d same?
anyone of u can advice me regarding partial colour blindness for pg or u know someone who is colour blind n still doing pg..thanks guys would be of great help
by d way rahul thats d reason why i have decided to switch over but wanted to be sure of d decision.. i m appearing for cat this yr..
Hi Rahul,
I am presently working in health insurance in renowoned GIC.
now I have 1 yr work exp but considering my 1 year Internship , I will have around 32 mnths exp till MARCH 2009.
Will I be eligible for taking admission in 2009 batch?will my internship be considered as my work ex?
Please help me out …..
hi rahul,
good to see such a great site
i am mbbs graduate year 2003
10th class =84%
12th class=81%
mbbs =65%
immediately after mbbs i worked in radiodiagnosis for a year in my uncles nursing home
then joined dnb in radiation oncology in delhi and worked there for 2 years but i left it in between to pursue a career in health management mainly operations side as it interests me a lot fron beginning
I wasted a year after that due to personel health reasons and now started preparing for gmat from last 2 months
I organised a number of cancer screening camps in and outside delhi,annual conferences
I had done my bachelors in kathak dance and organised cultural events like nitrya natikas in my childhood years
is there any prospects for me in isb hyderabad.
i am a physiotherapy student,final year.not satisfied with wat m doin.it does has a scope abroad but i doubt if its there in india.my aim is not only serving people but to become very rich.i am a good artist keen in doin mba considerin my creativity.could u plz suggest i shud take which branh in mba..plz guide me
hello sir,
i want to do mba frm isb but i dont knw whether phusiotherapists are given equal medical status like mbbs people..plz guide me im doin physiotherapy,final support.
hello sir
I am a pediatrician with 8 years of work experience and presently doing part time MBA from a premier institute in gurgaon.i am doing majors in operations and marketing and will be completing it in march ‘09.since the b school is not providing placement as it is for working people, how shall i approach for my job placement.
thanks
Dr Rachit
The information put up here has set my pulse racing.
Intellectual resuscitation !
Karan: Your annual package can range from Rs. 10 – 20 lakhs (am basing this on my experience with ISB). I’m not too sure that you can switch completely to a non-healthcare sector initially. That might take quite a lot of work.
Upendra: Your best bet right now is CAT/XAT.
Bindhu: 1. I spoke recently to an ISB Admissions manager. He was telling me that so many PG doctors are applying these days that they score over the MBBS/BDS guys. So I’m not too sure what chance you might have now.
2. It might carry weight, especially if you do a job after that for atleast 1 or 2 years.
Bidyut: In my job I basically take care of all patient needs, mostly the non-medical ones. We are the first point of contact for the patient for all their queries, problems, etc. We also co-ordinate with all other departments for ensuring that the patient’s stay/visit happens smoothly. Discovery project management is basically managing the projects that lead to discovery of new molecules and compounds for drugs. Licensing is the co-ordination with the government agencies to get the drugs approved for selling.
Arabind: For XLRI you will need to give the XAT.
Dr Veenu: I don’t know about 5 institutes but I can list 3 – AIIMS, TISS and Apollo. FMS also offers a MBA in healthcare management (not MHA). IIM’s don’t offer MHA. For CAT I would suggest Career Launcher, IMS, etc. For GMAT, Kaplan or Princeton. The career options are listed above in my post. Any work experience is OK, it does not have to be as a hospital admin (AIIMS has different requirements, I think). “Thanks a jar”??? That’s the first time I’ve read that expression!
Rest of you will have to wait for a few more days… Will write soon I promise!
I have completed BSC in Microbiology,Bio Chemistry,Zoology.
Please tell me if doing M.B.A in Hospital management is a good
idea
Bindhu: 1. Work experience should have more weightage. But now for ISB, you might need both.
2. Yes, it should.
3. Either should be fine.
Dr A S: 1. If you feel that you can have a better career after an MBA it is a good shift.
2. CAT is quite difficult… about as difficult as PG.
Trust me the stress and all is not going to go away after MBA. Pay might definitely be better but work-load and stress is going to be pretty much the same.
Dr. Khushbu: You should get the same status as MBBS. Work experience in a rehab centre is as good as corporate work experience. However, one year is too less. You need atleast 1 to 2 years more.
Sanjay: I’m not too sure whether that is going to make you ineligible. I would assume that you would have been denied admission to MBBS if there was such a big problem. But you should ask the Dean or someone in your medical college about the medical eligibility requirements.
Dr Monika: Internship is not considered as work experience by IIMs and ISB also does not consider it work experience any more. So you will need a little more experience…
Versha: Your profile sounds good and you seem to have enough work ex too. Just find out from ISB once whether your 2 years of DNB will be considered work ex or not.
Harshala: Yes physios should be given the same status as MBBS. The stream you want to pursue in MBA is your personal choice and you will be able to decide that after the first few terms of the MBA.
Rachit: First you need to decide which kind of company (pharma, hospital, etc.) you want to go to. Send your resumes there, meet the HR guys. If you have any contacts in those companies use them. You can also look for leads through job sites.
Rakesh: That’s something you need to decide for yourself. What exactly is your career plan and does an MBA help you achieve your goals? That should help you figure out whether an MBA is a good idea or not.
Hi.. i am Abhishek i am doing my MBBS 4th year now from a chinese medical university.. i am very much interested in pursuing MBA after my MBBS programme rather than setting up a clinical practice .
Does ISB offer MBA in hospital management?
what is the scope of MBA in hospital management in India and overseas?
what is pay-scale for a MBA hospital management pass-out from ISB?
2 Years of work-ex is necessary for admission into ISB thats what i have understood from the above posts , but internship too is required?
i hope u consider my quest as a primary regard and reply back ASAP
thanks
ABHISHEK
hi Rahul,
I am dr vashishta from Andhra Pradesh, doing my MD(Pharmacology) and in 1st year. Actually i am interested to work in industry. I came to know from my friends that if we have MBA degree along with my MD i would be preferred and would be having a bright future, then i decided to do MBA (distance learning) so that i can finish my MD along with MBA and can come out with two degrees. Can u please advice me whether my decision is right or wrong. If it is right which option should i need to opt in MBA and at which university should i need to apply for MBA. If i do MBA , what kind of advantage am i going to have after my PG? and what are the opportunities do i have? please do reply.
Hello sir,
Just wanted to know that
1. Is duration of PG is counted as work ex?
2. And internship?
AM DOING MY BDS (FINAL YR) IN JSS DENTAL COLLEGE,MYSORE.INTERESTED IN MBA.HOW TO GET IN TO THIS.?AFTR MBA I WANT TO KNOW THE OPTIONS OPN 2 ME?
hello rahul,
i did my bds a yaer n half ago n i have jioned mba healthcare services , its a distance learning course n now i am in final semester and runninn my own dental office.
so what is my future scope after completing d course.
please suggest.
is doing mba after mbbs a complete shift of career?how do one decide whether to go for mba or remain medicine side?
Dear Dr rahul
1. What does the job profile of General manager Medical service comprises of in corporate hospital?
2. What role can a doctor play with MBA finance in hospital and in Pharma?
3. My senior is into Equity Research with Credit Suisse ( investment banking) and as off shore associate earns about Rs 18-20 lakh fixed component. His analyst it seems is a John Hopkins MD doctor with his deputy being a PHD from MIT? That guy is supposed to be uno in bitech for 5 years in succession in Wall Streets!
Can doctors hope to get such package in corporate hospitals? ( i have over 11 years work experience including army experience. I will be completing an executive MBA ( general management) course from IIM-K so need some feed back from u as well ….u may email me at plabmate@sify.com)
4. Also what role does doctor actually play in Hospital Operations- the role u are playing ( i have read what u have posted cna u elaborate a bit further than that?
5. Dr Gujral I believe is VP projects with apollo Chennai. What do doctors do exactly in such role ?
6 Last but not the least A BIG thanks for Saving our soal in this wild wicked world of selfish medicine by showing us an alternative way of helping others!!!!
I Salute u and ur effort!
HI
THIS IS SARA HERE.WELL I WILL COMPLETE MY INTER 2ND YEAR IN 2009 I AM AN M.P.C STUDENT.CAN I DO M.B.A IN HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTLY FROM ICFAI COLLEGE NARAYANGUDA.BY WRITING ANY COMMON ENTRANCE EXAM LIKE CAT ,GMAT,I-CET.PLEASE INFO.ME HOW MUCH MARKS DO I REQUIRED AND WHICH EXAM SHOULD I ATTEMPT.THANK YOU.
BEST REGARDS
Abhishek: ISB does not offer an MBA in hospital management. An MBA in hospital management will have some good options ahead since there is a lot happening in the healthcare field. There’s a lot of expansion going on and trained people will be required to handle all this. An MBA from ISB should get a minimum of Rs. 10 lakhs/year with an average of Rs. 15 lakhs/year. Internship is a requirement to get your MBBS degree. After the internship you also need at least 2 years of work experience to get into ISB.
Vashishta: I’m not a big fan of distance learning for MBA. I feel that studying in a regular course and interacting with your peers gives you a better education as far as MBA is concerned. An MD(pharma)+MBA should have a huge scope in the pharma industry.
Ramya: To get into a 2 year MBA (IIM, XLRI, Symbiosis, FMS, etc.) you will need to give an entrance test like CAT/XAT, etc. For ISB you will need 2 years work experience and a good score in the GMAT. The options open to you are given above in my post.
Sukhjinder: Again the options open to you are given above in my post. Pls go through those.
Bidyut: As far as practicing medicine is considered it is a complete shift. You can still work in a hospital or pharma company and be in the healthcare sector, but you might not get to practice medicine.
Pallavi: 1. I’ve not come across a General Manager – Medical Services yet. However, I assume it would be a role like a Medical Superintendent.
2. An MBA Finance can look after the accounting and finance departments of large hospitals/hospital chains and pharma companies.
3. Yes doctors with MBA can get such packages in corporate hospitals.
4. I look after all the non-medical services at the hospital. The departments that come under us include Front Office, Billing, Maintenance, F&B, Housekeeping, IT, etc. Essentially we are the first point of contact for the patient and co-ordinate most of the requirements of the patient while they are in the hospital.
5. Gujral is no longer with Apollo. However, his role was to find out new opportunities for Apollo and help set up new facilities.
6. I’m glad my blog is useful. Thanks!
Sara: I’m not sure what ICFAI’s requirements are for entrance. You can visit their website or go meet them and they should be able to tell you how you can get admission there.
hello rahul sir,
me doing master in hospital administration from tata institute of socail sciences,mumbai.
i have also the option of doing mba from jamnalal,as i got selected.
actually my main interest is to go in general oragnisations like infosys and so on…….though medicine is a great field,i am much interested in management side, so sir can u plz tell me is there any chance of going into general organisations,other than pharma ,and hospital sectors.. becoz i want to do mba any ways….plz guide me how to enter other organisations…wil they consider a mba guy with mbbs? i also spoke to u on phone once calling to ur campus number. its been great talking to u. can u give ur number sir,
otherwise
kindly mail me to drkrishnakishore@yahoo.com or give a missed call to 09769200919. i wil ring back to u
thanks a lot.
dr kishore
hi rahul sir,
first of all thanks a lot for maintainiung such a great site. and also thanks for patient replies to everyone sparing ur time.
sir abt me…. i am doing master in hospital adminstration from TATA INSTITUTE OF SOCIAL SCIENCES,MUMBAI.
I tried for both mba and mha..i got mha here and mba in jamnalal bajaj,mumbai… jamnalals result came just now after i got into TISS,MUMBAI.
sir plz tell me which is better, mha or mba..
and also tell me how to go into general companies, rather than into pharma and hospital side as i am more interested in that.
can u plz provide ur phone number,
i already spoke to u once on ur campus phone ,remember me sir doctor rohit from vijawada.
if possible kindly mail to drkrishnakishore@yahoo.com or gimme a missed call to this number , 09769200919,i wil call u back…
thanks a lot.
bye
Dr.Rahul,
will working as an assiatant in a dental clinic be considered as work experience? because its easier get fake records of such work exp..so how will ISB or iim find out if we ve a dentist frn who can help us get a record of ths kind of wrk exp
Hi
I am a BDS doctor and doing my MBA from Allaince Bsiness Academy Bangalore and currently in my 3rd Sem doing specialisation in Marketing and Human Resource Management and learning Finance side by side to be better equipped in management. I did my SIP from Panasonic. Before joining MBA i wanted to join in healthcare industry or pharma company but now after a year I am open to other industries as i have got interested into management subjects. So please give some idea what to do and enlighten me on how to proceed. My email id is riteshnnd@yahoo.co.in.
Kishore: If you want to get into non-healthcare companies please go in for an MBA not an MHA. However, let me tell you its going to be difficult to move out of healthcare related work even if you work for other companies. Please post your questions here itself and I will answer…
Bindhu: Yes, working as an assitant is counted as work experience. ISB assumes a certain degree of honesty from the applicants. Plus, you will need to get recommendations written from your employers, and ISB can make out whether they are fake or real. The interview will be another place where you might get caught if you do not have real work experience.
Ritesh: I think you just need to do well in ur MBA and then apply to whichever companies you can…
hey rahul jee,
so fast reply
my GOD, thanks for ur concern….i wonder wat a level of patince u have……
thanks for reply
bye
i saw a lot of questions where people are interested in knowing about switching to non-healthcare fields post-mba..thats what prompted me to post here… heres my 2 cents.. i did an mba from a top 15 institute…mbbs from a govt college prior to that.. hardly any work-ex before mba… i majored in finance.. my mbbs helped me get my first job in which i was doing equity research in the pharmaceutical sector…i must say that i wouldnt have gotten a finance job from campus if this company was not looking for a pharma analyst.. but my interest in finance kinda outgrew my interest in the pharmaceutical sector.. and right now im in a new job as an investment analyst tracking other sectors along with pharma.. pursuing cfa too now.. my point is switching to a non-healthcare field is possible but tougher than getting a healthcare related job..and u need some luck too…but if u can prove to the recruiter that u are as good or even better than the engineers or CAs or B.Coms or whoever in ur batch, theres nothing stopping u..all the best guys..
its not all about money friends….look if u save some patient how much satisfaction u wil have in life…..
be focused in life……and try to achieve it wat ever hurdles that may come in life…………but friends dont leave medicine field looking at those stupid mba…..
never compare mbbs with mba……..they r no where equal with us.
we r professionals…. coming to money part……
if u have a money constraint, so many ppl doesnt know few tips how to earn money,some of them r
1..join a pharma company as clinical research officer r assistant….even with low salary in the begining. but after one yr exp ur salary is 25 to 30 thousands,which is decent enough to live and prepare for pg.
2…join any pharma industry as medical adcisor and prepare for pg.even there tha salaries r very good..no need even pg
3..r join any medical college r rural hospital in andhra pradesh…..they give minimum 20 thousand…..which is decent enough
so u can earn and study at the same time. so work and study till u get pg
at the time of exams u can put study leave for 2 months.
doctors r like gods n kings, they r no where equivalnet to mbas.
i did mbbs, mba……….
dont think life is so cool in mba. so many head aches to handle
at the end of the day….no job satisfaction
u r no more a doctor in the company
so think frnds all abt this…..before leving medicine
if its all about money………then buy pg seat in non clinical branches any where in india by taking loan
the seat costs just 5 to 15 lakhs max
u can repay after the course ,,,because u can be drawing decent 40 r 50 k after completion.so u can repay.
another thing is u can find jobs in some companies as medical officer where the pay is good
so u can work till u get pg…
still u dont get pg even after that,, then u can do mba any time ,beco thers no age limit
try to stick as much as possible.
bye frnds
hey Doc ,
Thanks a ton for helping helpin out so many doctors n guiding them on how they should go abt fulfilling their dreamz. i would be gratefull to u if u answer to my following queries….
1 If i am a part of the corporate world, would doing an MBA program through distance learning help me obtain a managerial position (I am a part of the operations team of an contract research organisation , working here since 5 months having completed my BDS in april 2008) or would u suggest me to appear for GMAT and enroll in a full time MBA program.
2 How difficult is it for a person with medical background to make a mark in the finance or marketing sector wit no prior experience of having worked in these sectors? ( I always feel tht for a finance related job why would the recruiter look for some one with MBBS/BDS + MBA instead of some one who done his or her graduation on commerce? )
3 Wat are the opputunities tht MBBS/BDS + MBA would have in the healthcare industry ( are there enough jobs in the healthcare sector to accomadate medicos with an MBA? )
thanx….
Hi,
I am a medical aspirant.Although I love biology I have no intention of practising and undergo the rigorous schedules of the hospital.Please tell me about the prospects of moving into the sports sector via a MBA degree.
rahul ji,
thanks very very much.i can say that u r great person for me.
bcoz i m very confused in this time.
im mbbs student of 3rd yr.i don’t wanna do pre PG bcoz it will take long duration for sattle.i wanna MBA frm iim/abroad. i want to established a big hospital jus lik bombay hospital…etc.
if i complet PG,than its very difficult.if i complet MBA & i join as manager in big hospital,i can do easily.
but my 5-1/2yr of mbbs & social status is preventing me for this.
my bachground ia math.i had also selected in AIEEE with good rank.
i want 2 be chairperson of any good institute(may be college…) or hospital.
what should i do??????????????
plz help me
i cant manage myself without glorious & comfertable life .
my no.09926516672 & atul.mbbs@gmail.com
plz reply me
Hello Dr. Rahul,
Thanks for your precious time and advice, indeed this is a wonderful site.
My name is Narmada, I am Dentist with MBA(Full time Course) in Marketing and Finance, I want to work as a Business analyst in Healthcare sector and I applied to almost all the job openings in Naukri and Monster, but not heard anything, and could not come across any placement who recruits for Healthcare sector. It is like a deadend for me. Would you be able to advice me as how to proceed.
Thanks and take care
exdoc: Thanks for your advice to the readers of this blog!
tomcruise: Thanks for your inputs again. I’m sure it’ll help many docs who are in a dilemma whether to stay in the medical side or not.
Shadab: 1. I would suggest a full-time programme.
2. Check out exdoc’s post above. I agree with his advice. Doctor’s usually don’t have great financial skills, and most finance companies will first look for finance skills and then sector experience.
3. There are loads of opportunities now. Check out the list I have given in my post above.
Soumyaneel: What exactly do you mean by the sports sector?
Atul: Setting up a big hospital is not just about being a manager. Even if you do your MBA you would need 15-20 years of experience before you will be able to set up your own hospital. If you establish yourself as a good doctor after MD/MS, in 15-20 years you can again set up your own hospital!
Narmada: A business analyst only for the healthcare sector is a difficult position to find. You need to find an analyst role that includes healthcare amongst other sectors. Try to apply directly to investment banks, PE funds and consulting firms rather than going through job sites or placement agencies. I have found that job site, etc. are not too great for niche roles.
Hello Dr. Rahul,
This is Mohit.
I would be grateful if you could give advise on my dilemma.
Let me give you my background.
MBBS 2001.
PLAB, NHS Experience of 1 year, other 5 years out of which 3 years in my own family hospital.
I do have an advanced computer diploma. (Actually, I have acquired knowledge of computer science as a hobby.)
I am presently pursuing executive (1 year) mba at IMT, Ghaziabad.
Till now, I thought only about healthcare IT. So, I planned to take Marketing/IT as my major/minor combination. I did not even consider any other areas till now.
However, after seeing Lehman brothers bankruptcy in the newspaper (and obama to become president), i am really worried. (I know i am being immature)
My questions are:
1. Is marketing/IT a good combination for a doctor who wants to pursue healthcare IT?
2. How do u search for jobs for a doctor MBA, other than reference hiring?
3. Are there any specific skills i need to acquire during my mba to be ready for the healthcare IT sector?
I am thankful for taking out time from your busy schedule to guide us in our endeavors.
Regards,
Mohit
Sorry for the addendum,
I was shortlisted for ISB for 2008. Unfortunately, i was not very convincing (even to myself) during the interview. It was my first interview in mba games and was not prepared for some very simple questions.
For those applying for ISB, I remember one question which was very simple but at the same time, very difficult to answer in a diplomatic way.—- what are the typical problems in your hospital??
I am sure that docs who have worked in smaller private hospitals will be able to understand the difficulty in answering this question.
Subsequently, I got shortlisted for Great Lakes, TAPMI, IMI, Queens, IMT. I got calls from all of them. Subsequently, I joined IMT Ghaziabad.
Regards,
Mohit
Hi Rahul,
which MBA is better for a MBBS,MD 28 yr old doctor-
ISB / IIMA PGP X/ NUS
Cost of all three are same now,
with regard to placements(in pharma/biomed/corp. hosp) which will offer a better job and pay.
can you rank them?
thanks a lot
HI
I am medical graduate with MBA(Health Care Services) and Diploma in Medical Law and Ethics from National Law School Bangalore with 5 years of experience in Army Medical Corps. My MBA and DIploma are through correspondence. I plan to quit my govt. job. Does this profile leads me anywhere outside?
Dear sir.myself dr.darshan kotak i have done my graduation in ayurved in dec 2003 since that i am working as a medical officer in three different small multispeciality hospitals.during my working period i observe hospital managers working profile and many other attrective things like they r getting good salary …perks…etc so i am impressed and i have recently join pg diploma in hospital administration and certificate course in quality management in healthcare.sir i want to know from you how can i get good salary job in corporate hospital after copleting my course ? ,is medvarsity online a reputed uni? Any suggestion from your side for better placement what i have to do? As i am merried and working professional, any other course or institute should i join for better future opertunities? I am living at gujarat a’bad .plz,guide me as early as possible
i have completed Occupational therapy course. After that how MBA course will be helpful for me rather if i do masters in public health or disaster management with considering the opportunities about job and salary
……………………hasan
wanted to ask whether a fresher can opt for this hospital management i hve jst completed my bds and confused wether to opt for clinial research r hospital mangmt
hi dr. rahul,
i hv completed my b.d.s. 2 years back. now i am persuing my m.m.d.s-part ii at govt. dental college, ahmedabad.i have zero knowledge about m.b.a. after my m.d.s. i m good in maths and logic.so please guide me.
hi dr. rahul,
thanks for keeping up this good work, u have really helped out many noble souls who feel lost in this materialistic world, please keep up the same, i will be in constant touch.
thanks once again
sir i want to know, iam a physiotherapist and does physiotherapist degree is treated equal to other medical degrees in getting job in Healthcare services.
i have done BPT and want to do MBA. does BPT+MBA will help me to gain managerial position in healthcare industries.
please make it clear to me sir
hello sir,
iam post dgo (2008).wish to do MBA international health care management.kindly suggest whether ISB or LATROBE university in australia will be better
regards
dr.prerana deshpande
hi,rahul first of all thanks that u r helping us a lot….i am a foreign medical graduate from russia and will give entrance test for pactise in india next year.but i was insearch of mba after mbbs,so please guide me weather i can go for this site or not?and if yed then what will be the procedure
I’m doing interne in BHMS. I want to join MBA in HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATION. So kindly give me info abt. Also abnt entrance exam & which r the institutions for it
hi dr rahul
i m doing internship..will complete it in 5 mnths. cn u pl guide me for doin mba?? i need to do it 4m bombay only as i m married… pl let me knw entrance exam n colleges in mumbai ?? is there any coaching classes for entrance ? pl help me
Guys & gals: Sorry for the late replies. Its becoming quite hectic at work these days.
Mohit: 1. Yes Marketing/IT is a good choice.
2. Reference hiring is the best. You can also send your CVs to the companies directly and hope for a call. You might also want to look for some consultants who can help you find a job.
3. Not really… the course should take care of it.
4. I don’t see why you can’t answer the question! Hospitals/nursing homes have common problems and you are going in for an MBA to solve such problems.
Sunil: It is very difficult to rank these. If I remember correctly IIM PGPX is for people who have >7 yrs experience, so that might not be right for you. Further, if you need to work in India only I would suggest ISB. Otherwise NUS should be as good.
Maj. Popli: You should have a decent chance in a hospital chain in an administrative position. Where exactly have you done your MBA from?
Darshan: Do well in your course and you should get a decent job. However, I always suggest that one do a contact course rather than correspondance or online. Medvarsity is OK.
Hasan: MBA should give you a wider scope and more opportunities than public health or disaster management.
Rohan: The good colleges like TISS and AIIMS require you to have some work experience. Others, however, take students with no work experience.
Mital: You need to give some more specific questions. The basic stuff is outlined above in my post.
Gaurav: You’re welcome!
Varun: Yes, physiotherapy should be counted as the same as other degrees. BPT+MBA can help you get a managerial job.
Prerana: I’ve never heard of LATROBE personally so won’t be able to comment on that.
Dipak: I’m not sure what you mean by “go for this site”. Can you please clarify your question?
Shyam: Some of the colleges for this course are TISS, AIIMS, FMS and Apollo. Each of them will have their own procedure for entry which you can find out from their websites.
Sampada: I suggest you join some course like Career Launcher, TIME, IMS, etc. They will be able to give you all the guidance needed for doing an MBA.
Hi,
I am a dentist and have a year in hand but no option other than distance learning MBA.. jst wish to add on a degree after BDS.. is it worth to go for PGDHHM/MHA from Symbiosis distance learning/ICFAi universty/Apollo Medversity? Please do guide me..
Dear Dr Rahul
Warm regards! i have done my MBA from Sikkim Manipal University of Health Medical and Technological Sciences, Institute of Allied Health. Also help me about how to go about finding a handsome package.
Thanks
Sports sector means working for the big football clubs or nowadays cricket having the format of Champions League is also coming to the foray;I meant to work for them as sports psychologist or analyst or business related matters.
Dr Rahul ….. congrats maintaining such an informative site.
MY PROFILE IN BRIEF
> 90 % in XII th ( 99.8 % in math phy chem )
72 % in MBBS ( 5 distinctions ) from JIPMER
MD Radiology from JIPMER
Fellowship in Radiology ( NIMS , Hyderabad )
Post MBBS experience 8 years
JOB EXPERIENCE
HOD Radiology, Yashoda superspeciality Hospitals, Hyderabad for 3 years
1200 bedded , chain of 3 hospitals
20 consultants, 15 DNB trainees are under my supervision
ALL ROUND ABILITIES, LEADERSHIP
“Best all round MBBS outgoing student” medal from JIPMER, 2000
Chief coordinator of JIPMER’s Indian music orchestra from 1996 to 2003
Got various certificates regarding social service, other team events
4 conference presentations
Organiser of monthly Twin cities Radiology Meet ( 2008 July onwards).
For the last 2 years, I have helped out my organisation in management related issues concerning Radiology and few other Depts, fairly successfully. Gained a lot of trust …. now my boss has offered to sponsor me for an ISB MBA.
I have a lot of interest in hospital management, business strategies in healthcare and above all in pioneering a “Tele Radiology” network in Hyderabad for a start.
Planning to apply for 2nd cycle. GMAT prep just started. But, Im fairly confident of 650 plus score. ( Scored 690 on practice test).
What are my chances ? Can I hope for my profile to compensate for a suboptimal Gmat score ? Should I be choosing a specialisation in MBA staright away ?
Pardon me for the length of the post.
And BTW, which Apollo are u working for ? Can I get in touch with u ?
Thanks
hi Dr…: Any of these 3 should be OK.
Maj. Popli: Finding a handsome job and package is a question of going out there and searching for it… no other way!
Soumyaneel: I have no clue about that sector!
Dr. Chandrasekar: I think ur a little too late for this year. There is no compensation for a sub-optimal GMAT score, so please concentrate on that. If you join ISB you only get to choose your specialisation after 6 months. I work with Apollo Jubilee Hills and I guess we are already in touch here
Hi Maj V Popli, I am Maj Sobti from AMC and just joined PGDMLE from NLSUI. Can I have your contact no. or email id. Mine is aloksobti@gmail.com.
Regards
Alok
hello sir,
thanks 4 loads of information..i hav completed MBBS and am working in medical college.ii was best outgoin student in college..i m very interested in joining a pharma company..what shod i do for dat?i m also doing MBA HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATION in distance education study..will this help me to get job in pharma..i m also intrestd in administration field..
Good to see such a great advisory site on the doctor – MBA combination. Also nice to known you are from UCMS. I am from the first batch (1985) at UCMS-GTB Hospital and believe it or not were transferred to Dilshad Garden without any electricity / water in our anatomy dissection rooms !!
Anyway I am a Senior Consultant Urologist in the UK doing a part time MBA from Bradford University (near Leeds). Half way through it. Having second doubts sa to whether it will help / change my career prospects.
Planning to relocate to India. What prospects do I have ? Would like to combine a management role – maybe operations with continued clinical work. What is the kind of salary structure ? Would my MBA give me any additional financial renumeration.
Cheers.
Sudhanshu
I am currently working in the UK as a junior surgical trainee. I have completed my MBBS here and then have 2 yrs experisnec after grad and am in my 1st yr of core surgical training as they call it over here and will finish this in august 2010. i shud get my MRCS by end of my training with completion of basic surgical training. i was wondering what options I have after that in terms of whether u think that an MBA is the way ahead if i want to get out of practising medicine. also, i would like to return back to india in the next 5 to 10 yrs but would like to work in the USA or specifically dubai in the medical field, but not as a practising doctor. do you think doing an MBA is the right thing and wht sectors do you feel i would be able to get jobs in or doin a degree like international health management or similar from imperial college tanaka business school london is a good alternative?
hi rahul,
m a fresh mbbs graduate and would like to go for hospital admn..i was hoping you can give me the neccesary info reg my options nboth here and in abroad (abroad just for studies) looking forward to a reply from you.
aarvy
MR RAHUL
THANKS A LOT FOR OPENING ME INTO THIS WORLD WERE PEOPLE SHARE AND GET ADVICE REGARDING THEIR FUTURE.. ITS MY 1ST DAY AT THIS SITE ,MY EXACT VIEWS ABOUT MY FUTURE AND THE QUESTIONS WONDERING IN ALL DIRECTIONS WITHIN MY MIND ARE DISCUSSED HERE… REALLY REALLY HOPING TO GET SOMEVALUABLE INFORMATION TAT IS GOING TO DECIDE MY FUTURE.. WILL COME OUT WITH MORE… THANK U
hi rahul
i am doing my mbbs and rt now pursuing my internship……..tell me if i will do mba not from iims but from a descent college ..which comes in top 40 or so and den wud i join pharma or finance companies…………who will pay me more and what cud b my initial package as i have no work ex….i just need an idea
Dr Rahul, It was very nice and useful interacting with you. Hope you remember me. ( Yashoda Hosp ).
Gave GMAT yesterday got 750. ( Q 50 V 41 ). Would be extremely useful if you can give some tips regarding the application essays —- specially the one about student body elections.
Thanks again
Rahul i have been a regular visitor of ur blog for last 6 months.after reading all the blogs i came to the conclusion doing MBA is quite an interesting thing.I wanted to ask one simple thing ….exactly wht thing motivated to do MBA after MBBS…..Now that u have changed your career….are u satisfied about the decision that you took of doing MBA ……Wht is the differnce between the nature of work of working as a doctor and as an MBA……which work are u finding more challenging and creative….and which field do u think has more growth prospect….i wanted to ask you one more question…….ie ….Did u do MBA for getting a good job only or did u do MBA to get the business knowledge which would help you to build up a setup of urs in the future .waiting for your answer……
respected sir,
can you pls guide me since i m an ayurvedic doctor with mba in marketing and minor as operations .can you pls tell me that where i should apply for the jobs. i am in my final semester of my mba .i am doin it frm ICFAI Business School Gurgaon
Hi Dr. Rahul.
Nice to meet you.
I have 7.5 yrs experience post MBBS.
now I am in a dilemma.
I want to know- which is better?
IIM (Ahmedabad) PGPX or ISB.
I want to go in one of these post MBA-
1. health care consulting- Mc Kinsey.
2. Private equity related to healh sector.
2. Bio-med device company.
3. Pharma.
I will like to work in India only.
thanks.
P.S.- to me it seems brand name of IIMA is better. small batch size of IIMA is better. PGPX is only 3 yrs old and in 2-3 yrs the PGPX rankings and popularity will shoot up.
still what do you say- specially regarding the placement process in ISB vs IIMA PGPX.
for a doctor – which is better???
thanks a lot
4.
Hi Everyone! Work has been keeping me extremely busy so please pardon the 1 month delay in posting.
Dr. Nandhini: MBA in Hospital Administration will NOT help you in getting a job in a pharma company! You should do a regular MBA for that.
Dr. Sudhanshu Garg: Haha – I’ve heard some stories about that! An MBA should definitely help you change you career prospects. The hospital sector has a lot of opportunities for people with your kind of experience. Someone with 15 years of experience and an MBA should easily get upwards of 20-25 lakhs/year. I’m not sure if you can combine medical practice with a management role. But you can definitely take up a job as a medical administrator which will keep you in touch with the medical side of things too.
Vivek: I’m not too sure I understand your questions… Do you want to quit practise or not? You want to return to India or go to USA/Dubai?
Aarvy: In India you can get a degree in hospital admin from institutes like AIIMS, TISS, Apollo, FMS, Manipal, etc. There are tons of options abroad, but I don’t have much info about those.
Dr Danish: With the current economic situation getting a decent job after such an MBA might be difficult. I would say you would be looking at an initial package of 3-5 lakhs/year in any sector.
Dr Chandrasekar: I haven’t seen the essay questions for this year (they change every year). Please post the exact question and I might be able to help you.
Dr. Debdatta: I was just not satisfied with clinical practice. Yes, I’m satisfied with my shift to management and enjoy this better. I think both fields are equally challenging, though. Currently I think growth prospects are better in management. I plan to have my own setup in the future.
Dr. Ritin Khosla: Apply to hospitals, that should be your best bet right now. Try pharma companies also as a fall-back. What are you primarily interested in though – pharma, hospitals or some other sector?
Dr. Tahir: I think both are great institutions and courses. I don’t see much difference in terms of learning or placements.
You are contesting the election to be the President of the ISB Student Body. Write a speech you will deliver to the student body on why they should elect you as the President? (300 words max)
Thanks for your reply sir..can u tel me wheter doing MBA HOSP ADMINISTRATION will help to get good placements.. now i m working in a medical college hospital..will this be counted for my experience..
hey rahul
can i know wen u completed ur m.b.a. from isb and how much work ex u had.?????/
what was ur initial package after doing mba from isb and what it is now?????
hi rahul,
this is the second time i am visiting your site.
the first time was when i was i was dwelling over whether to pursue mba or not.. subsequently i decided to go for it and have scored a 750 in gmat, also did good in the cat. expecting calls..
your site was really informative, thanks a ton..
by the way, i am also from ucms,1999 batch..
Hi dr.Rahul,
i am a student of BAMS of final prof. i want to know that which branch of MBA is suitable for me and please guide me to prepare enterance exam for MBA.
hiii….rahul …..i also wanted to know the same thing as Dr.Danish has written….ie Wht was your package when u joined apollo and how much is it now……How much is the normal growth in the salary every year……
Hi Dr Rahul, Would be pleased if you could help me out. I am planning to branch completely out of medicine into MBA Finance. Could you suggest any relevant work experience I could show? Many people have suggested workin in a hospital. But I really dislike clinical medicine. Can you suggest me any other kind of job in the field of finance. Something like the research which we people do. Is there any such thing I can do? Secondly it will be about 18 months since date of completing medicine. Will I be prejudiced if i do not have any work experience in that period. I am sure at interview stage I will surprise them with my knowledge of the corporate world and stocks since I have been investing in stocks since quite long. Can I explain then that in 18 months I have been managing my own stock investment portfolio?. Thanks
Dr. R. Chandrasekhar: I think this essay is basically looking for your leadership skills. You need to showcase how well you can lead a group. Be cautious what you write since there can be a lot of questioning on this essay during the interview.
Nandhini: Yes, that should help with placements and your work will be counted as experience.
Dr. Danish: I completed my MBA in 2007 and had nearly 3 years of work ex when I joined. I’m not posting my package on the blog.
Abhinav: Congrats & best of luck.
Dr. Shikha: The branch that is suitable for you depends on what your interests are… For preparing for MBA exams I suggest you join a coaching class like CL, IMS, etc.
Dr. Debdatta: The growth in salary depends on a lot of factors including your performance, promotions, etc. as well as the company’s financial strength and the economic situation.
Drhim: There are lots of jobs in the finance sector but I doubt that you can get them with a MBBS degree, and MBA might be overkill for a research kind of job. Mostly, B. Com. etc people do such back-end jobs. If you have not been working for 18 months, that’s definitely a problem. And no managing your own portfolio is not a substitute for a job!!!
thx for ur answer. dear sir i m frm indore (m.p.). i hve no any idea abut these mba coaching classes . where i found tht and how i join with my last year exam
hi , dr.rahul .m a dentist ..i need sum information regarding my work ex..pls help me out
pls tell me i have been working in a dental clinic for past 10 months.
will it b considered as a work experience…and also i have poor academics x-79% twelvth 64% and BDS 57% …IS THAT PROBLEMATIC FOR ISB and iims..pls help me out
i m confident of doing well in GMAT ..and CAT but pls tell m.how severly can my poor acads affect my ISB/IIM calls…..and also about the quality of my work experience…as i m working in a dental clinic..
Hello,
Dr.Rahul,
Firstly,let me thank you for the great job,you been doing.I really appreciate it.Atleast for people who visit this site,they know how much your feedbacks matter.Like,everyone I have few things I need to clarification.I graduated in April-08,been working as Resident Medical Officer,from 1 1/2 years(1 year in House Job as part time)and 6 months after graduation.Scores in X & XII-about 85-90%,MBBS-58% and took more time to complete,finished in 9 years.Do,you think it matter,if applying in India or outside?
1.Which insititutes do you think,is good to crack GMAT,I have zeroed in on Kaplan/Princeton Review / Chopras all around Rs15,000.C-square which has some scholarship with ISB,claims,can get some serious results-Rs30,000.What do you have to look when you plan to join any coaching?
2.I was planning on doing PG(Pharmacology / SPM(Community Medicine),after GMAT,conisdering your posts in this blog,that I need exp,to get into a better B-School.Which branch is more suited for MBA considering career options post MBA,not Health Admin. MBA.
3.Or should I just finish GMAT and then keep working for 2 years not taking up PG,considering the money(+15 lakhs) for PG seat and +3 years of study and struggle.I could do MSc clinical trials,distance education,with parallel working too.
4.Does my present work exp,carry any chance along with the gaps during my MBBS,I could show I have been involved with an NGO and have been working from the days of medical school.What are the chances of getting admission?
5.What is the strategy for applying in B-schools outside India and ISB.I want to concentrate on London Business School.which IIM’s consider GMAT score?Could list some good B-schools?
Hope you dont mind my answering my queries.Have a great day.
Best Regards,
Rohin.
hi rahul u have a great site to guide doctors who want to pursuade an mba. i am an orthodontist currently working in a colllege cum hospital since the past 1 1/2 years . i am fed up with my job as it has become monotonous and boring and would like to get into the corporate world. how do i go about the preparation and exams to get into ISB?
thanks a lot
meha
Rahul,
This is the most informative blog on this topic. So thanks! Anyways I have done mbbs from India and doing a PhD in cell biology in US. I want to find a health sector (biotech, pharmaceutical) job in India. I was wondering
1) If I relocate to India-are there any good opportunities?
2) If a MBA from US would help me get a better position?
Hi Dr Rahul,
Since transition from MBBS to MBA finance is a major one. I had some doubts. Is this a recession proof career? Since you must have had many classmates in this field are they facing any fears of job losses in the wake of this recession. I have this feeling that MBA from top institutes is recession proof. Am i right in my thinking? Thanks for your time and patience.
Hi Rahul,
Can you tell me the what kind of profile should Operations guy expect in a Corporate Hospital? Also if you dont mind me asking, what is your current profile?
Dr Vikrant Rathod, 2nd yr, Welingkar Institute of Management, Operation Spec.
Hi,
I graduated with MBBS in 1998. After moving to the UK, I worked here for 1 year and decided to have a break to look after my children. Now, after a long career break of almost 6 yrs(next year), I would like to return to work, but , am finding it extremely difficult to do so here in the UK. I would like to work in the healthcare sector. Is there any advice you have about alternative jobs(besides hospital doctor or GP)which I can do where my MBBS degree will be useful. Are there any courses available which will help qualify me better for these alternative jobs?
Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you
dr.rahul,thanx for providind such a good knowledge.i m completing mbbs this year,n starting internship from feb2009.i wanna go for mba.bt i hv a problem that i hv already loan on my head,and i think i will need a lots of money to go for an ISB.can u tell wat will b fee structure and wat should i do??hope u will help on this regard…i think u r the best who can suggest me.thanx in advance….
Dr. Shikha: Plesae search the net for “career launcher” or “mba coaching” and you should be able to find a coaching class near you.
Vinod 883: Your work in the dental clinic will be counted as work ex. The marks are decent, should not be a major problem. But your work ex is less. You’ll need nearly 2-3 more years of work ex for ISB.
Rohin: Thanks. Your part time work ex may not be counted for ISB. Interviewers may definitely ask you about the extra time you took in MBBS, so you need to work out how to counter those questions and have something great in your work ex or extra-curricular to cover for that.
1. I’ve heard of Kaplan and Princeton Review and they are good. But I don’t know about Chopras and C-square. I would definitely be suspicious of anyone who claims that they have some scholarships with ISB. I would look for some decent faculty and a track record of getting good results in exams.
2 & 3. Why do you want to give the GMAT right now if you plan to go in for MBA after a few years? I suggest you think about GMAT and MBA branches just before going in for the MBA only.
4. I don’t think the chances in ISB would be great.
5. Pick up a listing like Financial Times top b-schools and you’ll get a list of good b-schools. I don’t have any experience with applying to international schools so can’t help you there. IIMs only consider GMAT scores for their PGPX courses which require > 7 years of work ex.
Meha: Give the GMAT, write your essays and get your recos written. Details are there in my post above.
Suneet: 1. Yes there should be some opportunities available, I guess with bio-tech or research companies.
2. If you want a non-technical job then yes, an MBA will help, other wise I don’t think its of use.
Dr Jim: No job is recession proof except probably a government job! There are quite a few of my batch mates who are feeling the heat, esp in IT & finance.
Dr. Vikrant: My job involves the day-to-day running of the non-medical services of the hospital, and focussing on the customer experience. I guess most hospitals would have similar profiles, but the exact departments in operations would vary slightly.
J Singh: Can’t say much about the UK, but you can look at doing something like MBA, MPH, etc. You could even do some course in writing or medical writing and take up a job in that field. Think along such lines…
h.jain: You still have a long way to go before you can even think of applying to ISB. You’ll need atleast 2-3 years of work ex, excluding internship. So you should have some time to pay off part of the loan that you already have. For ISB you should budget for about 20 lakhs, half of which you should be able to get a loan for.
hii rahul…
i’m studying mbbs…and i want to go for mba….
can u please tell me what kind of experience is needed…i mean doing internship for 3 years id enough or do we need any other kind of job exp…..
can u please suggest me about this
hello sir….
thanks for this blog which is guiding so many of us….
i am a final year mbbs student and thinking about doing mba…
i would like to ask 3 questions-
1.what type of experience did you have after mbbs? i mean what sort of job? have you done your pg or not?(asking coz you have mentioned that ISB has taken only MD doctors since past two years….
2.sir can you please elaborate on the type of work that you have to do….you have mentioned in your posts…but what exactly….
3.what is the stress level of your job…i know no job is stress free….but is it a kind of 9-5 (or 9-8) job?…. do u get weekends off? any night shifts?…..
Hello Sir, Thanks a ton for putting so much of efforts beside ur busy schedule. I am presently dealing with the final year of MBBS in IGMC, Nagpur. Should I go for CAT/GMAT preparation during my Internship or spend some time gaining work experience prior to joining any MBA program. Also please tell what are the type of jobs available for fresher MBBS: both clinical & non-clinical jobs.
….With best regards, Atul Mishra
hi dr rahul,
first of all congrats for such a great blog.
i am currentky a medical officer,9 months into the job, i am much more interested in ngo like unicef ,cry etc..i have given my tiss exam for mph. could you guide me as to how to get into these reputed institutions. and is the tiss mph god enough to get int unicef and similar org’s at a good post or a mph abroad will always b better…
hi rahul,
is it important to relate mba with our current medical profession like, is it gud to be go into hospital or health sector or…..
we can drirectly switch to finance hr marketting while takin up for an mba course…yes it is about interest but what about the placement considerations or preferences…please help on this.
regards
sahil
Hi Rahul
I am a Paediatrician having more than 8 years of experience in government and private hospitals.Presently I am doing private practise.Along with it, I am doing Executive MBA(part time) from MDI,Gurgaon.I will be majoring in Operations in coming March.Iwant to join operations field in corporate health sector.Since you are in this field,please guide me at which level a person of my profile should apply.
thanks
Dr Rachit
Hi Rahul
I went through your website, and I feel that you are the only one, who can help me take a decision regarding MBA.
I am a pathologist in Delhi, and I finished pathology 3 years back, after which I went to US to get training in hematology. However, since the time I have come back, I really feel very depressed that I am paid poorly. And pathologist in India are not even treated at par with the clinicians, which makes me feel worse, as I took took pathology out of choice and not compulsion.
After my MBBS, I always wanted to do hospital administration, as I thought I have a good personality for that. Plus I want to be in a position,which gives me power. I dont mind going out of India to do MBA. I dont know whether to do MBA or no, and if yes then , whether to do MBA or Hospital administration.
I feel my talent is getting wasted.
I really want to get paid well after studying so much.
I dont know whether i should go in for MBA or no. I dont want to feel frustated after doing MBA. Please help me if you can
Hi Dr.Rahul
I have just entered my B.D.S. internship and I am very keen on doing MBA that too in marketing now since clinical dentistry is not my cup of tea. Is this the right time to prepare for cat and other enterance exams? If not then how should i increase my work experience without working in a dental clinic? also even if i get into a B grade B-school do i still have the scope of getting absorbed by a dental company?
Thanks in advance!:)
Hiiii Rahul,this is Dr Suveer Srivastav I have completed my internship in dentistry last year and since then I am working with Cognizant Life Sciences as a data analyst{pharmacovigilance process}.what would you suggest me regarding M.B.A.health care how should I prepare what are the carrier opportunities after that.please guide me.
Hello sir,
I’ve got an interview call from ISB Hyd today. My interviews are on 10th Jan. I was wondering if i could call you to get some insights on the preparation required for the interview.
you can contact me at eric.segal1[at]gmail.com
Aashritha: Which internship are you talking about? Most b-schools don’t accept internship as work experience.
Niti: 1. My work experience is listed in . I’ve not done an MD. The year I joined ISB there were 6 doctors – 4 MBBS, 1 MD and 1 dentist.
2. I look after the day-to-day running of the hospital. Ensuring staff is around, processes are followed, attending to patient complaints and ensuring such complaints are minimised.
3. There is quite a lot of stress. Its kind of 9-8 but there are times when you are around later. Saturday is not off, Sunday’s are mostly off, but someone has to come to work every Sunday so there’s a rota. There are some night duties.
Atul: I suggest you go for work experience for atleast 2-3 years. You can take up a job as a resident doctor, join some insurance company as a medical underwriter or probably a pharma company.
Dr. Amit: TISS is supposed to be a great institute but I am not sure how many students get placed into places like UNICEF and all. It would be better to get in touch with some TISS alum.
Sahil: A healthcare organisation would definitely prefer you since your education brings synergy to the work you would be doing later. However, if you can demonstrate to a recruiter from some other sector that you are as capable as anybody else for the same job you might stand a chance.
Dr Rachit: You should look at getting a job as a head or senior manager of a hospital’s operations dept.
Tina: Unless you are sure that you want to hospital administration there is a good chance that you would be frustrated after an MBA also. Further, remember that as a an administrator also physicians are considered above you! Also, you might have power over the employees but never over the clinicians. I don’t think that getting more pay is a good enough reason for doing an MBA. You really should be sure that this is the career you want to pursue. Hope this helps.
Aman: I don’t think this is a good time for you to start preparing. You need some work experience. I’m not sure whether pharma or insurance companies take dentists but you could try there. Also see the comment from Suveer above – he’s working with Cognizant as a data analyst, you might wanna give that a shot.
Suveer: All the info you are looking for is given in the post above and in many of my comments. Just go through them.
Thanks a ton, Rahul!!
hello sir i am an mbbs student in mmc mysore… i tried to get an answer for my question in all ur posts bt cudnt……IF I DO MBA IN HOSPITAL MANAGEMENT FROM AUSTRALIA THEN WAT WILL BE MY SCOPE IN INDIA AND AUSTRALIA……WILL THE EXPERIENCE BEFORE MBA BE REQUIRED THEN ALSO…..AND WILL EXPERIENCE BE COUNTED IF I WORK PART TIME WITH SOME HOSPITAL THERE IN AUSTRALIA DURING MY COURCE………pls reply soon sir i really find difficlt to sleep sometime thinkin abt my career….i like medical bt its tooo long a path i wan success as early as possible………………………………………………………………………… …………………………………………….waitin for ur reply
nd if this is not feasable pls guide me wat shud i do after mbbs……my real brother is setled in australia so i ws givin prefrence to it if its good to do at some other place please tell me…….nd guide me both about settling there abroad or in india if i want….. na wat can i do from now only to b a success….. i got 85% in 10 90% in 12 nd 78% in mbbs first year….cn i go for iims……is cat tooo difficult? pls reply fast sirr
hi doc ,
hats off for the gr8 work of guiding ppl!!!!
well m DA , working as SR in delhi for last 6 months. wt r the prospects of distance learning
hospital management from symbiosis, pune??
Hello sir,
first of all thanks for bringing such huge informations that i would never have got to know b4.
i m in final mbbs, ms uni, vadodara. actually my basic interest is towards maths and physics. i find this medical field not-for-me.
moreover i just cant do this cramming and all that in mbbs and as a result, i have performed so dull in whole of the mbbs duration till now that i doubt if i can get admission to some good pg branch. should i go for safe game to try and try for pg?
so, acc to u, which is more preferable, from monetary point of view also? mba or pg-medical?
i have a score of 95,94 and 59 in X, XII and mbbs respectively.
Hi Rahul!!!
well!!! first i must compliment you for th good work that u r doing by guiding people…
I am Dr. Asif and I am a dental surgeon. i am abou to finish my MBA (marketing, ICFAI BS, Hyderabad). I have 2 years for work experience, in which i was working as a denatl surgeon, more involde in marketing the dental lab and getting customers for it.
my age is 29 years now. Do you think my age will be a hindrance for my placemant in any company. My focus is mainly for pharma amd healthcare industry. ..
hey dr rahul,
kudos to u man for such a exemplary work u r doing for rookies like me..
well lemme tell u abt my profile
x – 85%
XII- 70%
MBBS- 70%
i ve just completed my internship and totally sure abt quitting this profession,
and for that i wanted to u to guide me,
can u guide me for mba and isb considering my marks, do i stand anywhere,..
please…
thanks in advance
Hi Maj Popli I am doing PGDMLE, can I have ur email id. Thanx
Hi Rahul, At last I found you. Even I am in the same trap of confusion. I am a MBBS, MD and PhD in diagnostic radiology. but the sad part is i finished my MD and PhD Diagnostic Radiology in Moscow (Russian Federation) and not in India. Its a 5 yrs experience. But I am interested in management side rather than clinical side. I am interested in earning money and i want to upgrade myself in financial knowledge. How will be my future is a ? but i trust soon there will be need of such combination. I am at present working in a diagnostic center and want to do MBA hospital management. I am planning to take a distant education (correspondence course). Which is better a distant education or a regular course. Please guide me.
Dear Simran,
Whether you study in India or Australia, your scope won't change much. You will still get the same kind of jobs in both places. Yes, the experience before MBA might still be required. You'll have to check with the university in Australia for their requirements. Well I really can't give you a guide to success! Just work hard and do something that interests you. Don't run after money. That's all I can advise.
Dear Suchi,
I'm not a fan of distance learning, especially for management courses. I think that the best part of a management course is the learning you get from interacting with your colleagues. Symbiosis is a good college and has a good name in the industry, so your prospects won't be bad. But the opportunities might be less than for a person who does a full-time course.
Smit,
You need to decide what interests you. Don't go solely by the money aspect. If medical does not interest you, look for other stuff otherwise stick to medical. Further, no harm giving the PG exams, if you get a good stream go for it.
Do you mean you are too young or too old? Anyways, age should not be a hindrance for placements.
Your marks are decent. But you will need a lot of work experience before applying for ISB.
Prabu,
As I said above a regular course is better.
Hello sir,
I've just completed my MBBS.I have given MBA entrance exams this year.I want to get an idea about the scope of HR management in hospitals or pharma companies.Also plz guide me how to convince the interviewers about changing my stream from MBBS to MBA.I m not money minded , i dont find medical profession very boring .But I want to have better quality of life which i will get by getting a good job after MBA .Is this kind of explanation enough or I will have to add stronger points?Plz guide me sir.Thanks.
Hello Sir, I have a doubt regarding careers after MBA with MBBS. Suppose I have been placed in a pharmaceutical company, I work there for 1 or 2 years and then think of shifring to hospital, will I have a chance, and will the experience at my previous pharma company be helpful for a growth in career even if I join a hospital. Also after campus placements, what is the scope to change the job( if unhappy), like will there be vacancies or not, because MBBS with MBA will have limited options in terms of companies. Kindly spare time to reply.
hello sir,
this is abhishek.. currently doing internship in surat.. Hve got a call from xlri in their pmir programme n planning to take up specialisation in hr.. should i take up this if converted or go for some work experience in the corporate sector and then apply for mba..
WHAT IS THE COST OF STUDYING
Hello sir ,
I have completed my MBBS from Mumbai. I am planning to pursue MHA in the U.S .Which are the good institutes which provide MHA course in the US ?
Do we have to have job experience or jst a good GRE score will do ?
and
What is the scope if i take this degree and come back to India??
Please guide me. thanks.
HR has a role to play in every company so there's definitely scope in hospitals and pharma. You need to add stronger points. This can be an additional point.
Yes you will have a chance later too. In the current scenario (economic slowdown and all) there might not be too much scope. If the situation improves you might get more opportunities. I would suggest, however, that you try to make up your mind before you take the job.
I don't think you will be able to get a decent job at this time… go for the MBA if you convert.
Depends on which college you go to…
Chirag, I don't know much about US colleges. You'll have to check out their websites or meet some consultant who can help you. Scope after the degree should be good since there are a lot of hospitals coming up.
sir. . . currently i am in MBBS III proff and I have joined an MBA coaching institute in my free time. . . if i dont have work exp , will it be a big problem ???
Its not a big problem, but you should then try only for IIMs, etc. ISB won’t accept your application.
hey..am in my 3rd prof mbbs…
ive read ur blog..nd d 5 options u ve given for a doctor after mba…but ill be frank i still dont understand the job of an MBAed Doctor..
for eg.) wat do u mean by the operations department in health care services (where u r)
am not able to visualize ur job..at the end of the day wat are your accomplishments…?
i would be grateful to u if u could just brief me about the options u ve enlisted like a lay-man..! thanks.
Hi Rahul,
I am Capt(Dr) Manish Bansal & i m in army since april 2005. I am at guwahati n m taking coaching for CAT at IMS coaching center.ISB will consider my work exp. or not. Next year m leaving army after getting 5 yrs of exp.
Thanks
Hi Rahul, i am preeti practicing obstetrician and gynaecologist in a small town. did dgo and dnb traning frm mumbai. i am confident that i can achieve a good score but have 2 queries firstly i hav read that there is a lot of stress on communication skills during interview and i am not very good at english. i can answer in simple sentences. secondly i hav lost touch with my dnb teacher and i doubt if i can get a recommendation letter. while into my private practice i hav operated many patients at very low cost and many of my patients like me a lot. how abt asking them to write a letter for me. i am a lot in social service but not attached to any institute which can certify this.kindly answer my queries. i will be highly obliged. thank u.
I am a Pediatrician with 8 years of experience in government and private hospitals.Presently I am doing private practice.Along with it, I am doing Executive MBA(part time) from MDI,Gurgaon.I will be majoring in Operations in coming June.I want to join operations field in corporate health sector.Since you are in this field,please guide me how to go about getting job.
hi rahul,it was nice reading your reply to comment, where ru u placed now
Yes, ISB should consider your work ex.
Simple sentences is actually pretty good. No one wants to hear fancy words and stuff! Getting recommendation letters from your clients is actually a very good idea. ISB anyways does not want recos from teachers.
The only way is to make a good resume and send it to various hospitals. Doesn't MDI help you with placements?
I'm in Apollo Hyderabad.
hi rahul
ur blog is very informative as well as useful for those who are intending to pursue MBA after treading a medical line. i am working as a higher secondary teacher (M.Sc mathematics & B.Ed). i am having one year experience and i am plannig to appear for CAT 2009. since i am intending to go for a coaching this year, i am thinking of discontinuing my school job and opt for home based e- tutoring. You said two years experience would be ideal so do you think swictching off from a regualr job after an year to an online job(though basically teaching) would be rubbish. I know i am asking advice for a stream totally different from yours but if you have any idea could you suggest, the sooner the better as i'll be givin my say to the school management anytime from now. Jus a second opinion.
Also if you cud can u tell me the lines (educationally inclined) open to me if i pursue MBA. Also if i am going for coaching which is better TIME or anywhere or any person.
Dear Anu,
An online job may not be the best option for getting work ex. However, I can’t say whether IIM’s will consider it to be good enough or not. Actually studying over the weekends and evenings is good enough for CAT in my experience. I’m not sure about the job opportunities available for you post an MBA. You should check with someone else. Any coaching is fine… I personally took coaching from Career Launcher.
Rahul
Dear Dr.Rahul,
Hi.I am a MBBS graduate from CHANDIGARH and have already given three years to usmle and got married in btwn.Howeva I just cunt match and now I am getting accepted in some MBA HEALTHCARE MANAGEMENT programs from USA but I havent given my GMAT/GRE etc.These programs take people on IELTS only.Is it worth to do this MBA from USA?Will it be fetching me a job in India?I have three years of work ex and some research experience too.My main concern is job.Also I need to join something beginning in 2009 only as I have already wasted 3 years.These US programs begin in sept'09.Please help as I have started the application process and paying the application fee etc.
Regards,
Shikha!
HI RAHUL!i hve done my MBBS,DPH(Diploma in Public Health)………i am pursuing a part-time MBA from ICFAI University….am compelled to do a part time course coz i hve a kid……….cud u plz guide me on pay packages if i want to get into an NGO or a corporate hospital or a pharma company……….dont mind working in either of these……….
DR.DIPTI
Hi, This is Kiran here, I have completed MBBS and my internship is abt 2 over. I am thinking of going for MBA is there any scope for that now? and will it be da same after i complete MBA?
hello sir, m krunal dhamesha, m pursuin my internship from cvl hospital,abad………………….joined coachin institute for mba entrances………………doin mba is my instinct………………….nd my 10 year goal is to own a polyclinic(sounds very big, but aimin low is a crime)……………so wat wud u suggest in wich faculty for mba i shud go…………………………………………..i heard that finance is best amngst all…………….but i m nt clear wat wud b my scope after doin finance mx after mbbs……………………………….guide me…………………………..
hi, I m b.h.m.s.now doing MBA in HR. but confuse about future. plz give me suggestion related 2summer intership project . what can i do?
hi rahul.i m BHMS medical graduate with no work experience.i m now doing my mba 4m nit durgapur .i want to know about d future prospect & specilisation in which subject is most suited to doctors.
HI rahul ! havent gt ur reply …been 8 wks. i am doin my mba from ICFAI UNIVERSITY- I hve weekend classes …..it is a 2 and HALF years distance learning part-time course……my qualification is MBBS,DPH(diploma in public health) both 4rm nair hospital,mumbai….what r my prospects n pay packages 4 gettin into healthcare consultancies,NGOs ,pharma companies or hospitals(dont mind either of them)….one more thing ..hve gt 94% in my group A MBA EXAMS….hve just given grp B exams….does it help being a top scorer…..please reply soon…..waitin 4 ur reply
Dr. Dipti
hi rahul,
im doing MD in community medicine,,,in final year now,,,do u think that making a shift towards management side would be the right decision ? i like my field yet im also interested in management ,,,is there any field in yr opinion where i can use both community medicione and management skills? thanks in anticipation.
hey Rahul
sorry to bother you but im doing my final year mbbs and im thinkin bout wat i should do later…. right now i hav mba on my mind, i don think i am that good in business or heading a hospital or supervising…. is mba a good option for me? im little on the lazy side so i guess im trying to tone it down a little but i am not sure about wat i should do ….
hi..rahul sir,
I a ma bds student and now doing my internship ..I am planning to do MHA/MPH..after my graduation.. sir plz suggest me whether i should do a core MBA by giving CAT and then enter in some healthcare institute for job or should do masters in health/hospital administration… n what are the future prospects of these couses…?wat could be the salary perks ..can WHO projects or NGO’s provide handsome salary to an mph?most importantly can i keep my dentistry practice on with a job in hospital managment sector? sir…plz reply ….
thanking you ..
aditi
Hello Dr. Rahul,
Your blog is fantastic. I have 4-5 yrs of clinical experience and am currently pursuing an MBA from NUS.
I had several questions in my mind.
1. What roles in Pharma companies should I target? What exact position and role?
How should I prepare for interview with the Pharma company?
2. What does the Pharma Company look in a doctor+MBA? Why will the company hire me and give me a good salary?
What should be my positioning statement?
3. What is the most imp thing the recruiter looks in a MBA +Doctor
hi rahul i am gagan and i am currently studyng in china(mbbs) and i after i complete this i want to do a course in mba in health care management…plz guide me as i want to get in a good b school abroad?and you are doing agr8 job man..keep it up
hiii sir….
i'm doing mbbs in china and now i'm in 3rd yr. We need to clear mci screening test to practice legally in India after we get our degree certificate . But this exam is in pg level. But I really want to do mba .So preparing for mci is almost equal to preparing for pg.Do I really have to pass this exam to apply for b schools ?? For work ex is it compulsory to work in a hospital, or working in any pharma company is ok??….I'm really confused. I don"t know what to do. Plzzz tell me what to do……
i am presently working for a pharma company in the medical department. the profile is medico marketing. i wish to pursue an mba, but the problem is i also want some source of income, while i pursue the course. kindly advice me, if i should go ahead and pursue a full time course, without bothering much about the income part or pursue a part time course. the part time course seems to be of three years duration, and difficult to pursue, considering the job, which takes almost all my daytime.
kindly advice,
Regards,
Dr Sameer
Hi Rahul…i am a medical student …5th semester…i m thinking of going for an mba after my graduation…but had some doubts …wud really appreciate if you reply…well…after my 10+2 …i didnt prepare seriously for pmts…so i wasted 6 yrs. while preparing for it…i am a good student but didnt study really…i wud like to mention that in this span of time…i joined for two years a veterinary college, hau hisar, but then i got through cbsepmt and now doing mbbs…”years wasted”…but now i m serious and i just wanted to know that ….does all these gap of past years will hamper my chances of getting into iims /isb/other good mba colleges or not….and if yes to what extent…??….also plz suggest something if you want to…!!…i ll be thankful if you reply because i gotta take decision as soon as possible….regards…nitik..!!
hi sir now i pursuing m.b.a but i am confussed becase i want to do the continue my m.b.a from the field of h.r so i do the job in abrod at the same post and i want learn some extra languge which language should i learn for making my carrier in abrod like french and sir plz give some advice regarding the h.r fild
Respected Sir,
My name is sanket shah..I'm a 2nd yr medical student from tnmc,mumbai..well my interests after graduation do not lie on the clinical side..i am much more interested in management and hence would like to pursue the same.
as you have mentioned that internship and compulsory rural posting is not counted as work ex so we'l require additional 2 yrs more before we can apply right?
what kind of training is required for gmat?
and do you think we can survive the grueling GD and PI with absolutely no knowledge of commerce?
what field of MBA do you advise for us?
hey… hi rahul
I really want to congratulate u for running such a thread for soo long and ur advices seem soo right and practical.. I wish i would hve read ur thread before joing the MBA course..
Yes.. thats right after my MBBS I directly switched to MBA without going for any work experience.. Besides that i regret the decision because in that haste i didnt pay much heed to which college I should I go to.. So ended up joining one of the colleges which is not at par with colleges like IIMS or ISB….
I am just on the verge of the completion of my MBA but honestly not much of the pharma companies come here for placements..
Please suggest me what should I do… What profile should I look for after my MBBS and MBA(Marketing)…Although this may amuse u but still I think that with some experience (2yrs) I should go for 1 yr MBA from a premier inst like ISB…. Whether the inst. will accept me or not is all together a different issue..
Plz advice…
Eagerly waiting for ur reply….
HII rahul,your blog is of much use to medical professionals who opt to pursue management
i m a dental graduate ,currently working under a dentist in a clinic,i want to go in management field as m not interested in dentistry but i wud like to enter the pharma and biotech sector ,please guide me how can i make a career in this industry
plus i am not very good in maths ,will that hamper my chances to clear the exam for ISB
WAITING FOR UR REPLY EAGERLY
REGARDS
RICHA
HII ….
its naina here..m presently doin internship in b.d.s…!! i really found ur blog informative! nw a daz…m in real dialema wat 2 do nxt aftr b.d.s… & i hav decided 2 go 4 mba… i dn't hav much of d in4rmtn regardin it bt got 2 knw 4rm my seniors & google as well!!! i m thinkn of goin 4 mba in health care management… i hav heard of institutes lik symbiosis, TISS….i wantd 2 knw if its worth doin mba in hospital mngmnt aftr my b.d.s… or shud i go 4 ISB or ny such top institutions!! i hav d capability & determination but i want proper guidanc.. so cnfsd wat 2 do..? mba in hospital management or work expernc & dn mba..?
hello sir,
first of all, i am very thakfull to you for constructing such blog..it is of great help.
i have some queries in my mind, i thought you to be a right person to answer them.
1. i am a physiotherapy student, after getting into this field and knowing about its scope in india, i am planning to shift to MBA.
2. i am confussed whether i should go for core MBA (will a person with physio as a background can fit into it) or couses like MHA or health managment?
3. seniors often says me that after MHA there is a some discrimination among mbbs and ny other medico. since i have never been in this sector just wanted to clear my doubt.
4. i am academically sound and can crack the managment xamz if i work hard. kindly guide me how should i go for it.
5. BPT + _______ . kindly suggest a field as a post graduate option to get into health sector.
i am also lerning german from max mueller bhavan new delhi.
looking forward for ur reply and guidence.
please reply as soon as possible.
im residing in thane n my mom having really nice setup mutlispeciality hosp m everybody at my home earn same or more than mba salary so iif i wish to do mba it should be really 100% succesful n im creative person more intrested in managing events than patint n i want md gynec which is nt possibl so plz plz tell abt mba n easy way 2 get admission im mbbs fresher will complete internship in feb dnt no damn thing abt cat isb watever how to apply eligiblity n plus my matha weak so plz help me u will save my life mean it
plz help me this career confusion has alredy made me irriable depressed person rfom happy go lucky girl n my mbbs aggregate is 65% 10 % 885 in 2002 n 91% in 12th allclear throghout bt nw i think there is no use of this degree want to sell it
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